Do You Need a Darwinian Doctor? (Darwin party pushing this for years, med schools not buying it)

CEH ^ | September 8, 2009

[YHAOS]

”This is your idea of Christian belief.”

You feel inferior unless you can dictate to me what my Christian beliefs are? Lost without that aid?

Start the book with “In the beginning” . . . continue from there. But, I should tell you, it’s been done . . . by better men than you or I.

[YHAOS]

”I didn’t know Quakers were Christians.”

Apparently Jefferson thought so. I understand their mileage varies. If you think it’s all that important, tell them yourself. Or, better yet, tell Jefferson to tell them. Have a good trip.

[AndyTheBear]

BTW, exactly what I am is complicated.

I was confirmed Episcopal, but now consider myself Anglican particularly since I live in San Joaquin county which split from the Episcopal church (although I attend and Assembly of God church with my wife because she gets nothing out of the Anglican service, and I am comfortable worshiping either way)

But anyway, I attended the local Anglican church a few times to support them in their split a way from the Episcopal church.

Sorry its complicated...but that's why I said before I was "confirmed Episcopal".

[AndyTheBear]

Yep, TJ is upset with people claiming to follow Christ when they are twisting what TJ thinks is the profound message of Christ.

Thus TJ thinks of himself as a real Christian...as he has clearly expressed.

All quite consistent with the idea that Jesus is pivotal to TJ.

Also recall the TJ quote supplied by your friend YHAOS in which TJ is praising a lady for really following Jesus's teachings...which he contrasted with what he saw as hypocritical preist hood.

You seem fixated on the dung hill, and not on TJ's appreciation of Jesus's teachings...which to TJ was what Jesus was all about. TJ's ire reminds me of the ire Jesus had when he drove the merchants out of the temple with a whip. The quotes you provided reveal a picture of a man upset that what he views as real Christianity was corrupted for personal gain.

So yes, Jesus was profoundly important to TJ, which is a concept he held as orthogonal to TJ's opinions about the miracles Jesus performed and the resurrection and virgin birth--although the latter seem to be subjects so fascinating to you it shuts down your mind.

While I disagree with the notion of either rejecting or being agnostic about the resurrection (you have not really proved he rejected it, as far as I know from what you presented he may well have been agnostic about it) I can at least acknowledge that Jesus was important to TJ. But I suppose, at this point, despite overwhelming confirming evidence that you yourself have contributed to the reverence TJ had for Christ's teaching, you have chosen to not acknowledge it.

[AndyTheBear]

“I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.”

Note he says "who may think themselves Christians"

Which means TJ's beef is not with people who he considers are Christians...for TJ has claimed that he himself was a "real" Christian.

So is it still your position that Jesus was not of pivotal imporance to TJ?--no wait this was actually a quote you actually provided as evidence against that very thing...well then, again the best you have for your position undermines it more than it helps, so you have convinced me your words are about as likely to be true as that of monkeys typing randomly, and I have lost some of the trust I had in your presentation of the context of the quotes you have cited up till now.