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1 posted on 09/09/2009 2:39:59 PM PDT by montag813
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This analogy is a bit weak but this Cass guy makes me think of the Sheriff of Nottingham who didn’t make the laws but enforced the death penalty if someone was caught poaching the King’s wild game.

I guess in this analogy he would be more like the King but in real life he is going to be sticking his nose into everything and making us, the peasants, pay the penalty for “poaching” animals of any kind.


59 posted on 09/09/2009 2:54:28 PM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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vote tally here: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00273


72 posted on 09/09/2009 3:06:28 PM PDT by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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Voinovich continues his scumbag treachery...


74 posted on 09/09/2009 3:07:12 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: montag813; Las Vegas Ron; Fred Nerks; BP2; LucyT; Travis McGee

Let’s go! Research begins now. Screen shots of everything you find. We got rid of Jones, we can easily get rid of this one too. Damn it, why do we always wait until after the fact? We were so busy with health care we let this one slip by. That’s their game plan and we fall right into it. DAMN! I am so mad right now.

“[A]lmost all gun control legislation is constitutionally fine. And if the Court is right, then fundamentalism does not justify the view that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms. “ Cass


82 posted on 09/09/2009 3:09:58 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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Does this mean that if one animal tries to eat or attack another animal they can sue? My guess is they will have an exemption since no human will be involved, but then again more money for the lawyers who will represent them.


86 posted on 09/09/2009 3:12:39 PM PDT by Birch Barlow (The nine most terrifying words in English are, I'm from the govt and I'm here to help you.-Reagan)
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To: montag813
Here's the full list:

Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---63
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Burris (D-IL)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
NAYs ---35
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Pryor (D-AR)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Webb (D-VA)
Wicker (R-MS)

110 posted on 09/09/2009 3:23:16 PM PDT by cc2k (When less than half the voters pay taxes, it's called "taxation without representation.")
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Notable YEA Votes:
Bennett (R-UT)
Collins (R-ME)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
Sanders (I-VT)
Snowe (R-ME)
Voinovich (R-OH)
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Notable NAY Votes:
Lincoln (D-AR)
Pryor (D-AR)
Webb (D-VA)
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info from here:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00273


114 posted on 09/09/2009 3:24:24 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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Blech...and a pox on the repubs who voted for this dud.


140 posted on 09/09/2009 3:42:30 PM PDT by missycocopuffs
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To: LucyT; ExTexasRedhead

PING!


142 posted on 09/09/2009 3:43:33 PM PDT by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1.)
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Wow, 4 filthy Republicans voted for it?

Maybe you could run for the Senate and then there would one less. I will vote for you.


144 posted on 09/09/2009 3:44:04 PM PDT by steven33442
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Nooooo...this is GREAT! He needed to be IN the Government for the sheeple to hear JUST HOW BAD HE REALLY IS! GO GLENN GO!!


152 posted on 09/09/2009 3:48:26 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: montag813

Yet another thing to remember before reflexively pulling the lever for someone with an (R) next to their name.

IMO, it’s better to have actual Democrats in office than “Republicans” who vote like this.


163 posted on 09/09/2009 3:56:42 PM PDT by Zeddicus
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And we know Sphincter wasn’t one of the four this time! Also it must have een more than four because I am sure Byrd wasn’t there! We are lucky if Grahamnesty and McPain weren’t two of the Scumbags and Traitors! This guy is the Worst of the Worst! THE RNC better do some real Soul Searching................:-(


164 posted on 09/09/2009 3:58:06 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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Who and I know what Cass Sunstean is. My question is why and what is he “running for” that this has to get Congressional approvement. I’m confused.
Put on the CD and listen to Cass Elliot, she makes more sense than most. And, she’s dead. No OBAMACARE for her.


176 posted on 09/09/2009 4:08:33 PM PDT by hkp123
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This quandary that Big Zero is foisting upon us is actually a benefit to my wife.
She gets so PI$$ED off and seething mad that she is eating less and running more miles every day. In the past couple of months she has dropped three(3)dress sizes.
I am now living with a Italian Banshee. If she is in the house only old B/W movies are allowed on the TV. Don’t anyone mention Obama Catholics or the Kennedy’s. Thirty three + years ago when we met she thought JFK and Jackie were the greatest.
Boy how things change.


197 posted on 09/09/2009 4:29:56 PM PDT by GOYAKLA
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“Nudging” America to Give Up Meat
ConsumerFreedom.com | September 3, 2009
Posted on 09/05/2009 3:47:23 PM PDT by Still Thinking
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2333066/posts


204 posted on 09/09/2009 4:42:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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From Wikipedia:

Legal philosophy

Sunstein is a proponent of judicial minimalism, arguing that judges should focus primarily on deciding the case at hand, and avoid making sweeping changes to the law or decisions that have broad-reaching effects. He is generally thought to be liberal despite publicly supporting some of George W. Bush's judicial nominees, including Michael W. McConnell and John G. Roberts. Much of his work also brings behavioral economics to bear on law, suggesting that the "rational actor" model will sometimes produce an inadequate understanding of how people will respond to legal intervention.

In recent years Sunstein has collaborated with academics who have training in behavioral economics, most notably Daniel Kahneman, Richard Thaler, and Christine M. Jolls, to show how the theoretical assumptions of law and economics should be modified by new empirical findings about how people actually behave.

Sunstein (along with his coauthor Richard Thaler) has elaborated the theory of libertarian paternalism. In arguing for this theory, he counsels thinkers/academics/politicians to embrace the findings of behavioral economics as applied to law, maintaining freedom of choice while also steering people's decisions in directions that will make their lives go better. With Thaler, he coined the term "choice architect."

First Amendment

In his book Democracy and the Problem of Free Speech Sunstein says there is a need to reformulate First Amendment law. He thinks that the current formulation, based on Justice Holmes' conception of free speech as a marketplace “disserves the aspirations of those who wrote America’s founding document.”[12] The purpose of this reformulation would be to “reinvigorate processes of democratic deliberation, by ensuring greater attention to public issues and greater diversity of views.”[13] He is concerned by the present “situation in which like-minded people speak or listen mostly to one another,”[14] and thinks that in “light of astonishing economic and technological changes, we must doubt whether, as interpreted, the constitutional guarantee of free speech is adequately serving democratic goals.”[15] He proposes a “New Deal for speech [that] would draw on Justice Brandeis' insistence on the role of free speech in promoting political deliberation and citizenship.”[13]

Animal rights

Sunstein has also written often in favor of animal rights. “Every reasonable person believes in animal rights,” he says.[16] He also says that human “willingness to subject animals to unjustified suffering will be seen … as a form of unconscionable barbarity… morally akin to slavery and the mass extermination of human beings,”[17] and that we might "conclude that certain practices cannot be defended and should not be allowed to continue, if, in practice, mere regulation will inevitably be insufficient—and if, in practice, mere regulation will ensure that the level of animal suffering will remain very high."[16] Specifically he thinks that, “we ought to ban hunting.”[18] He also thinks that “we could even grant animals a right to bring suit”[19] and that it is possible that “that before long, Congress will grant standing to animals to protect their own rights and interests.”[20] This all stems from his claim that "animals, species as such, and perhaps even natural objects warrant respect for their own sake, and quite apart from their interactions with human beings."[21]

Taxation

Sunstein has argued that “we should celebrate tax day.”[22] He appears to claim that the very concepts of property and society are based on government and taxes:

In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ‘ours’? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts? Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live?... Without taxes there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending. [It is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public fisc. … There is no liberty without dependency.[22]

Sunstein goes on to say:

If government could not intervene effectively, none of the individual rights to which Americans have become accustomed could be reliably protected. [...] This is why the overused distinction between "negative" and "positive" rights makes little sense. Rights to private property, freedom of speech, immunity from police abuse, contractual liberty, free exercise of religion--just as much as rights to Social Security, Medicare and food stamps--are taxpayer-funded and government-managed social services designed to improve collective and individual well-being.
212 posted on 09/09/2009 4:56:06 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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CloseRepublicans Voting ‘Aye’
Sen. Robert Bennett [R, UT]
Sen. Susan Collins [R, ME]
Sen. Judd Gregg [R, NH]
Sen. Orrin Hatch [R, UT]
Sen. Richard Lugar [R, IN]
Sen. Olympia Snowe [R, ME]
Sen. George Voinovich [R, OH]


222 posted on 09/09/2009 5:16:20 PM PDT by benvec
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CloseRepublicans Voting ‘Aye’
Sen. Robert Bennett [R, UT]
Sen. Susan Collins [R, ME]
Sen. Judd Gregg [R, NH]
Sen. Orrin Hatch [R, UT]
Sen. Richard Lugar [R, IN]
Sen. Olympia Snowe [R, ME]
Sen. George Voinovich [R, OH]


223 posted on 09/09/2009 5:17:20 PM PDT by benvec
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“Dick” Lugar needs to be voted out of office! (also the other 3 rino’s)


231 posted on 09/09/2009 5:57:50 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack (Build a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm the rest of his life ;)
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