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To: Ronaldus Magnus
To add to my last in the interests of actually being informative, seeing I'm complaining about misinformation, to a great extent I agree about the handgun laws - they're ridiculous and stupid in many ways, although the barrel length restriction in my view is much more problematic than the calibre ones - I think .38 calibre is adequate for self defence, but the barrel length rules means you often don't have a great deal of choice when buying a handgun.

I know a lot of people who have Category C and D licences - 99.9% of applications for such licences are approved. There are a lot of people who complain about not being able to own Cat C or Cat D, and frankly, I've never been able to figure out what they're talking about. Unless they have old criminal convictions, they should be able to be able to get a C or even D licence. My impression is that most of them have never tried and frankly I find it hard to have any sympathy for somebody who isn't willing to make the effort and instead whinges about not being able to own guns that other people have done what is necessary to own.

A lot of people seem far happy whinging about having rights taken away than going out and doing what they have to do if they want to exercise those rights.

21 posted on 09/07/2009 8:57:50 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
Nice try at sarcasm, mate, but I happen to be Category D licenced (also handgun licenced, with a few A/Bs as well).

That's bloody good for you, mate. You must be a prized subject there in your commonwealth to be granted such a rare privelage.

I live here. I know the laws. I know how they work.

It's funny how the privelaged in class-based societies unhesitatingly defend the laws that restrict the lower classes. The Australian government wouldn't what all those aboriginies and the poor to get the type of guns you have, would they mate?

I know a lot of people who have Category C and D licences - 99.9% of applications for such licences are approved.

That's a terribly indefensibe statistic for someone who "lives there and knows the laws" like you do.

There are a lot of people who complain about not being able to own Cat C or Cat D, and frankly, I've never been able to figure out what they're talking about. Unless they have old criminal convictions, they should be able to be able to get a C or even D licence.

The Australian government claims to have confiscated (the government can't "buy back" what it never owned) over 600,000 firearms as a result of the 1996 law. By your logic there must be a large number of criminals down there for some odd reason.

My impression is that most of them have never tried and frankly I find it hard to have any sympathy for somebody who isn't willing to make the effort and instead whinges about not being able to own guns that other people have done what is necessary to own.

I am afraid my friends were unable to "satisfy" the authorities that they had a "genuine reason" to hold a class D licence like you do. They apparently didn't qualify since they don't live rurally or exterminate animals for a living. What "genuine reason", may I ask, did you give for acquiring your Class D firearms permit and how much did all your permits cost you?

A lot of people seem far happy whinging about having rights taken away than going out and doing what they have to do if they want to exercise those rights.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but without a constitution with any explicit rights guarantees Australians don't have any real "rights" in the legal sense of the word. Also, is a registered firearm licensed with an arbitrarily granted permit really a freedom? I would think Australians would know better than most that a registered firearm is just something the government owns but hasn't gotten around to confiscating yet.

I apologize for my sacrastic or combative tone, but your dismissive statements about the damage wrough by your 1996 law is very contrary to the Australians I know. I have great admiration for Australians and I wish more of them, especially the ones who are willing to fight for real freedom rather than minimize its curtailment, would emmigrate to the US and help us fight the battle here.

22 posted on 09/07/2009 10:16:12 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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