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Here is what is going on right now... 2 bullion banks in NY (JP Morgan and HSBC) have massive short positions... at or above the historical high...

And the suspicion is that the Chinese national funds are behind them...

This is obvious manipulation of the Silver and Gold markets... and for years... they have been allegedly "stealing" money from other traders by manipulating the price movements. And now, China is recognizing that this heavy short position is a disaster in the making for them... and the commodity exchanges have virtually no enforcement powers to make China cover or deliver the metals... China is threatening to walk away and leave the NY investment banks holding the bag.

Another thing... this massive short position in the relatively small precious metal market... is probably the major reason why we haven't seen a runaway price escalation in Gold and Silver yet... in spite of the 24/7 printing presses all around the world.

My conclusion is that things are going to end very badly for those of us who aren't prepared... this is the reason why I posted this thread...

1 posted on 09/05/2009 9:58:26 AM PDT by John123
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Here is another GREAT article for you to read... in this one... the author kept telling the investigative wing of the CFTC that China may walk away from its obligations... and bingo!

It may very well happen... in my opinion... this is a very good article to read for any serious silver investor... Warning Ignored

2 posted on 09/05/2009 10:01:43 AM PDT by John123 (If Teddy was the lion of the senate... then we were the prey.)
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... this is the reason why I posted this thread...

Either that, or you sell gold. :-)

3 posted on 09/05/2009 10:01:59 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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—So are you saying if these short positions don’t hold, gold and silver will go up even further than the run up in the past two weeks?


5 posted on 09/05/2009 10:09:05 AM PDT by NetLiberty
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Am I wrong in thinking that part of this is China’s lack of confidence in Obama to pull America’s economic woes back into Capitalism where it belongs?


6 posted on 09/05/2009 10:11:57 AM PDT by yoe (Obama, America's first Communist Czar)
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For reading later...

I've been expecting stagflation for some time and can't figure out why the stock indicies are trending up with all of the fundamental, structural issues simmering in plain sight just like the Internet and housing bubbles. Besides 2/3rds of the economy unemployed or on the sideline, prices and interest should be ramping up in relative proportion to Treasury monetizing our debt.

8 posted on 09/05/2009 10:19:09 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; conservatives believe what they see.)
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New York investment houses are basically organized crime syndicates and [they're] selling paper instruments of no value that really only enrich the N.Y. investment houses themselves...

Well, D'UH!

Albeit all legal.

Million$ bonuses? Scams right and left? A system where the losers must significantly outnumber the winners for the croo... errr the investment firms and executives to rake their obscene salaries and bonuses off the top?

Individuals are pretty much at their mercy, but anyone who doesn't see the fundamental systemic flaws has to be brain dead.

14 posted on 09/05/2009 10:25:41 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Obama Garden Club: Nothing but plants.)
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Swap your gold for silver!

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/04.09/roota.html


16 posted on 09/05/2009 10:28:41 AM PDT by American Silver Eagle
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Massive deficit spending and money supply creation leading to inflation SCREWS ALL SAVERS OF WHOM THE CHICOMS AND JAPANESE ARE THE MOST PROMINENT.

I think the Chicoms are engaging in economic warfare by vowing to renege on losing commodity trades.

I wonder if this all leads to a trade war? Smoot-Hawley and the trade war in Europe were major factors in the Great Depression. Could we see the same scenario unfold?


19 posted on 09/05/2009 10:34:15 AM PDT by darth
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I wouldn’t put it past the US government that the way it is now constituted, with commies at the helm, and Bernake et al running things, that the Federal Reserve with its gold and silver hoards is somehow behind this crisis.


23 posted on 09/05/2009 10:41:12 AM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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My conclusion is that things are going to end very badly for those of us who aren't prepared...

Thanks for posting. Would you define "prepared" please? Prepared can mean any of several different things and I'm doing my best to cover as many bases as possible.

33 posted on 09/05/2009 12:06:29 PM PDT by GBA
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Can someone explain this to the layman? To me a short position means an expectation of a falling price. Is the article saying that they expect the price to fall, or that they erroneously expected it to fall and are now stuck?


45 posted on 09/05/2009 8:53:29 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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