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Hong Kong recalls gold reserves from London- Asians invited to store bullion closer home
marketwatch ^ | Sep 3, 2009, | marketwatch Chris Oliver

Posted on 09/04/2009 12:05:53 PM PDT by dennisw

Hong Kong is pulling all its physical gold holdings from depositories in London, transferring them to a high-security depository newly built at the city's airport, in a move that won praise from local traders Thursday.

The facility, industry professionals said, would support Hong Kong's emergence as a Swiss-style trading hub for bullion and would lessen London's status as a key settlement-and-storage center.

"Having a central government-sponsored vault would create a situation where you could conceivably look at Hong Kong as being a hub, where metal could be traded for the region,"

The Hong Kong Monetary Authority, which functions as the territory's unofficial central bank, will transfer its gold reserves stored in other vaults to the depository later this year, the Hong Kong government said in an earlier statement.

Traders said the new depository facility could also foster new financial products, such as exchange-traded funds based on precious metals.

The 3,660-square-foot depository, located at the city's main Chek Lap Kok Airport, will serve as a "storage facility for local and overseas government institutions," according to the government statement.

Martin Hennecke, a financial advisor with the Hong Kong-based Tyche Group Ltd., said that could be appealing to regional central banks unnerved after watching the global financial system teeter on verge of implosion last year.

"Central banks are increasingly aware of the importance of having gold reserves at time of financial crisis and having it easily available at their own disposal," he said.

Management firm Value Partners planned to launch an ETF gold fund that will use Hong Kong instead of London as a repository for the gold backing the fund, local reports said Thursday.

(Excerpt) Read more at marketwatch.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: wearesodoomed

1 posted on 09/04/2009 12:05:54 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

http://thefundamentalview.blogspot.com/2009/09/hong-kong-pulls-all-its-gold-out-of.html

This story may have huge implications.
Hong Kong has demanded all its gold reserves back from London for storage locally in their new state of the art vault.

The Hong Kong Monetary Authority has also stated that it will transfer its gold reserves stored in other vaults around the world to the depository later this year.
Reports indicate that finance director with the Hong Kong Airport Authority has said that marketing efforts are going to be launched to convince Asian central banks to transfer their gold reserves to the new Hong Kong Facility.
When the tide goes out we will see who was swimming naked.
This has massive implications if Asian banks start demanding their physical gold. The “paper” game may soon be up.


2 posted on 09/04/2009 12:08:29 PM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: dennisw

Thursday, September 3, 2009

CHINA AND THE BUZZ OF A PENDING BANK DEFAULT

Let’s put the pieces together here. Just this past weekend China announced that State Owned Enterprises (SOEs) will be allowed to default on commodity derivative contracts. Think of that. China has given the green light and authorized the defaulting on commodity derivative contracts.

This story broke over the weekend but has not gotten much mainstream media attention on this side of the pond. (North America). The only inference to it was the talk or “buzz” on the Wall Street floor that another bank was rumored to be close to defaulting. As Art Cashin of UBS Securities indicated in the video clip I posted earlier, normally when a market sells off on a rumor and the rumor turns out to be false, the market will tend to correct itself. IT DIDN’T.

The Reuters report cited 6 foreign banks that received letters indicating that the Chinese State Owned Enterprises would be given the green light to default on their derivatives.

A look at what a derivative actually is may be useful here. A Derivative is a financial instrument that is derived from some other underlying asset, index, event, value or condition. Rather than trade or exchange the underlying itself, derivative traders enter into an agreement to exchange cash or assets over time based on the underlying. A simple example is a futures contract: an agreement to exchange the underlying asset at a future date. Commercial and investment banks make up the foundation of the over the counter (OTC) derivatives market. Investors use derivatives to protect against risks, such as sudden changes in price or value of the underlying asset. Others tap derivatives to take on extra risk, in the hope of extra gains.

Well China owns billions of these products and it has finally come to light they have had enough of having the value of their derivatives manipulated by the manipulation of the price of the underlying asset. They have finally woken up to the fact that these derivatives have been bundled together like junk in a manner that resembles the mortgage backed derivatives that brought down the world markets last year.

Back to Reuters.  Some of the State Owned Enterprises that stated their potential intentions to default were Air China. China Eastern and Cosco. Mainly in part because they took major derivatives losses over the past year but also, concerns are arising that the derivatives that they were sold by these foreign institutions are garbage, underwater and may never see the light of day. So why continue to pay for them? So the concern in the financial world is that holders of these losing products may just walk away, not unlike a home owner with a $600,000 mortgage on a home valued at $475,000 deciding to just hand in their keys. However, read on...this has nothing to do with morgtgage backed products.  This time, the concern may be over Oil.

They (Reuters) cited 6 foreign banks.Where the story gets really intriguing is that among the major derivatives providers according to Reuters but also widely known in the industry, are Goldman Sachs, UBS and JP Morgan.

Here is the looming problem. These products are worth billions. One report that a good friend of mine did showed that if Goldman Sachs for example were to take this one up the rear, they could stand to lose 15 billion dollars. (This number is by no means confirmed)

An important history lesson is needed here. “Potential default” was the concern that sparked and prompted the most recent economic crisis. These intricately weaved products along with highly speculative CDOs and CDSs began to fall apart when the bubble that was in large part significantly contributed to and created by the financial institutions that were packaging this junk started to fall apart.

Imagine the impact for a brief moment if you will, on the impact to the financial landscape if China were to say “we are walking away” from those products. I would imagine that China, being the biggest purchaser of US debt, could surely collapse the US institutions that were at one point deemed too big to fail if they decide to go ahead with this plan.

This is why I don’t take tonight’s news that China purchased 50 billion dollars of IMF bonds lightly. In fact, I take it very seriously. This is why I take the buzz on the floor over the past two days very seriously as well as I do the incredible spike in Gold today. Most importantly, I do not take lightly the recent 25% correction we have seen in the Chinese Stock Market. Can all these events be interconnected some how? Is the Chinese stock collapse giving us a hint?

The Reuters story came out on Mon Aug 31, 2009 at 7:42am EDT. I find it quite interesting that the mainstream media did not take this more seriously. Reuters reported that the above noted Chinese companies have already issued letters to the banks. The Reuters article cites 4 clear points.

• State-owned firms may default on commodity hedges - report

• Bankers dismayed, confused by report; seek more details

• Lawyers question legality of the move

• Traders suspect lurking losses may have prompted warning (Adds analysts comments)

Analysts are fearing that if these three big companies came out and spelled out their losses and dismay at these products then this might prompt other large Chinese corporations to do the same.

Let’s take a closer look at the companies that have been mentioned in these news articles out of China. They are Air China, China Eastern and Cosco. If you ask me, this conundrum might have to do with oil. I deduce from this that if there is a problem brewing it has everything to do with their Oil Derivatives business.

Here’s a brief overview of what might happen should these companies, and others, default. The banks, namely Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan and from other accounts possibly Deutsche Bank will find themselves LONG on oil futures with no customers on the short side of the derivatives. This will most likely lead the banks to sell the excess oil futures without a care for the price. This is no different than what happened when Bear Stearns was forced to sell off their gold futures in March of 2008 which then resulted in a sharp downturn in the price of Gold.

Reuters stated:

Spokespersons at Goldman Sachs (GS.N) and UBS (UBSN.VX) declined comment, and media officials at Morgan Stanley (MS.N) and JPMorgan (JPM.N) were not immediately available for comment. All are major global providers of commodity risk management.

We have yet to hear their commentary. A Chinese statesperson was quoted as saying “"If we were among the banks receiving that letter, we would be very angry.” You bet your bottom dollar. You don’t think the firms listed above are angry, or, are they frightened that if the Chinese State Owned entities start taking affirmative action it could theoretically bring down some of the biggest remaining names on Wall Street?

Remember Reuters initial story was titled Beijing's derivative default stance rattles market. Read it thoroughly for more information.

Then, read the story that broke last Saturday to get a clearer perspective before the political and corporate spin started to enter the story. China warns banks on OTC hedge defaults –report.

“BEIJING, Aug 29 (Reuters) - Chinese state-owned enterprises (SOEs) may unilaterally terminate derivative contracts with six foreign banks that provide over-the-counter commodity hedging services, a leading financial magazine said.

 

 

China's SOE regulator, the State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission (SASAC), had told the financial institutions that SOEs reserved the right to default on contracts, Caijing magazine quoted an unnamed industry source as saying.”

On September 1, 2009 Reuters said that the Banks, not the commodities would be at risk if China followed through.

Yes, legal battles would ensue should this happen and we can also expect to have Chinese political figures downplay the story in an effort to avert panic. However, if they can prove that these derivatives or the underlying asset was manipulated in a manner to profit the bank that issued the product then that may even do more damage than the default themselves.

Perhaps the “buzz” on the floor is indeed true. Perhaps we are going to see action that could annihilate one of the biggest Wall Street firms ever.

If there is one thing I have learned of late is that when the Chinese speak, we must listen. Their list of allies is ever growing and they are simply fed up of having to swallow the US garbage that has turned out to be toxic and dangerous to their highly controlled and coveted state owned enterprises.

I leave you with these thoughts that I alluded to above. The Chinese market has corrected 25%. This news broke this past weekend. New York saw a sharp sell-off on Monday. Buzz of a bank default hit the floor. The rumor did not abate and the selling intensified. The selling carried over into Tuesday. Gold, a classic hedge against troubled times has broken out to the upside, China has purchased 50 billion in IMF bonds and has been questioning the US dollar now for upwards of a year. China was up 5% overnight and Gold has continued to climb this morning.

Where there is smoke there is often fire.

Please feel free to comment, advise of any corrections or provide additional information if you wish. Comments are moderated but only spam, foul language or insulting comments are not permitted.


3 posted on 09/04/2009 12:09:00 PM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: dennisw

When it comes to financial markets, I consider myself a neophyte, but when I read about China using US$ to buy IMF’s SDR’s (bonds), and that China had given the green light and authorized the defaulting on commodity derivative contracts to State Owned Enterprises, my antennae went way up.

We are living the curse of ‘interesting times’.


4 posted on 09/04/2009 12:38:00 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj
When it comes to financial markets, I consider myself a neophyte, but when I read about China using US$ to buy IMF’s SDR’s (bonds), and that China had given the green light and authorized the defaulting on commodity derivative contracts to State Owned Enterprises, my antennae went way up.

This could be very very big
Remember China is a key BRIC member and they all want a toppling of US preeminence. They could join China in defaulting
All these countries are on to the Wall Street rip off artists who have helped crash the world economy

 

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5 posted on 09/04/2009 12:53:46 PM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: dennisw
Traders said the new depository facility could also foster new financial products, such as exchange-traded funds based on precious metals.

I can't think of a single better investment for the five to twenty year time frame than a precious-metals ETF denominated in yuan.

I wouldn't put my IRA investments in the hands of the Chinese government, but I think putting a quarter of my mad money in this would be a phenomenal hedge, and might even make me rich.

6 posted on 09/04/2009 1:16:31 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: dennisw

I like it!


7 posted on 09/04/2009 1:21:11 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: dennisw

call 007 sounds like scaramanga may go after the transports
; )


8 posted on 09/04/2009 1:22:18 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: dennisw

bump for later


9 posted on 09/04/2009 1:22:32 PM PDT by reed13 (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.")
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To: dennisw

So, once again, I guess it’s time to remove my physical gold from my BOA deposit box??


10 posted on 09/04/2009 1:29:29 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: SuperLuminal

Put some in Canada. Freeper candor7 is always saying how good Canadian banks are. Canada is a mining country and will never take way gold the way Roosevelt did


11 posted on 09/04/2009 1:32:40 PM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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