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To: antiRepublicrat
What he did showed him to be an irresponsible scientist.

No it didn't. It demonstrated that he did not please NCSE.

Um, no. His status as Associate wasn't renewed (remember, his sponsor was dead so he wasn't there to renew Sternberg anymore), but he was continued as a Collaborator despite his violations of policy and mistreatment of artifacts

The "kicked out" refers to the fact that NCSE was involved. It is indisputable that NCSE proactively sought retribution against Sternberg.

because the NCSE is the one that said to leave his personal beliefs and creationist work out of it,

Yeah right. /sarc

Sternberg is not a creationist. Nor does he necessarily believe in ID as many characterize it. From his website...

Richard Sternberg

I am an evolutionary biologist ...

I think that neo-Darwinian theory is at best a very limited framework for understanding the development, organization, and disparity of fossil and recent taxa, as it formally pertains to the fixation and loss of gene variants in populations. Evolutionary genetics leaves open the central issue of how the one dimensional genotype can specify the four dimensional phenotype. The approach I am taking to this problem is a variant of structural realism, by which I mean that biological phenomena are manifestations of logico-mathematical structures. This perspective is orthogonal to the origins debate, if you will, because all historical actualities are understood to be space-time instances of pre-existing non-temporal possibilities. Within this context one can accept all that is empirically valid in evolutionary biology, while not axiomatically dismissing the position that structures as well as their “real” instantiations have an intelligent cause. My position asserts that the cosmos is fundamentally intelligible in such a way that it can be logically, mathematically, and scientifically recognized to be such; and moreover--following Proclus--that the universe emanates from Nous (mind). In this sense my thinking is compatible with intelligent design broadly defined.
[emphasis mine]

763 posted on 09/08/2009 1:36:12 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
It demonstrated that he did not please NCSE.

Oh come on. He broke the normal procedure for publishing. Why do you think they call them peer-review journals? Because there is peer-review. Except in this case where Sternberg didn't allow any subject matter experts to peer-review Meyer's article.

It is indisputable that NCSE proactively sought retribution against Sternberg.

Hmmm, violate basic scientific tenets, somebody wants you out on scientific grounds. Sounds reasonable to me.

Yeah right. /sarc

I gave the quote. They were very careful to point out that any action must be solely based on his scientific work.

I am an evolutionary biologist ...

Then how can you be claiming he was persecuted if he's not even an IDer? Your case is falling apart. You have not been able to show one thing that was done to him that was in any way irresponsible or unprofessional.

764 posted on 09/08/2009 5:24:34 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: AndrewC
Evolutionary genetics leaves open the central issue of how the one dimensional genotype can specify the four dimensional phenotype.

Meiosis or mitosis?

Science fact: Evolution is only possible with HETEROSEXUAL relationships.

767 posted on 09/08/2009 5:36:08 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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