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To: Maelstorm
So what are the risks of the swine flu vaccines? It depends on who you ask.

Yes, it depends on whether you ask a scientist who has studied vaccines and immunology, or if you ask a foaming at the mouth blogger intent on spreading hysterical hyperbole.

The risks of the injected vaccine is GBS at the rate of one case per million doses. There is also the risk of an allergic reaction if you happen to be allergic to albumen (egg white.) It's not recommended that people with such an allergy get the injected vaccine.

From what I've seen in reports, squalene will not be included in all doses of the vaccine. I saw a report yesterday that there are two batches, one in ten dose vials and one in single vials. One of them does not contain it. If you're concerned about that, you can ask for a dose without it.

If you're an anti-vaccine zealot, you also run the risk of having someone post on all your threads that the flu kills 34,000 plus and causes the hospitalization of 200,000 plus in the United States alone. So the benefits of getting vaccinated far outweigh the risks.

The H1N1 is being tested right now and has been for a while. It will be released in mid October.

My advice? If you are really that scared of it, don't get it. I sincerely doubt the stormtroopers are goign to kick in your door and force you to get vaccinated, regardless of what you read on the internet. Also, there's no multi-national corporate conspiracy plotting around a large round oak table in Europe with the single minded goal of giving you GBS for their own fun and profit.

On the other hand, if you want some level of protection against the flu, get the shot.

Much of the mortality of this flu hinges on whether it causes cytokine storms, a serious immune overreaction in a localized area like the lungs that results from certain types of antigens. This is why the 1918 flu killed so many with healthy immune systems. It is still unclear whether prevailing strains of H1N1 cause cytokine storms.

Anyway, good luck and happy blogging.
47 posted on 09/05/2009 8:05:50 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

[[The risks of the injected vaccine is GBS at the rate of one case per million doses.]]

Precisely- Which is hte points I was trying to bring up- we need to keep things in perspective.

I also had a pituitary tumor which caused Acromegally (same hting Andre the Giant had- only mine happened after the growthplates closed, so didn’t get giantism- just got hte negative effects like enlarged soft tissue organs like heart, intestines etc)- and the ‘risk’ of developping acromegally from pit tumor was 1 in 6 million- Yep- I was the ‘lucky’ #1- Can bad thigns happen given huge odds agaisnt it? Sure- but like flying- MOST peopel will never have problems- ever- BUT when peopel start lumping al lthe isolated cases together, it looks much worse than it actually is statistics-wise

Vitimin and herbal companies are famous for using htis practice of anectdotal evidence to bolster sales- they end up scarign people into thinking that if they don’t take their product, they wil lend up with problems that htey can’t even pronounce or have even heard of- and htese companies iwll use tactics like saying “Stuff your doctor doesn’t want you to know” or “Informaiton the govenrment is keeping from you” Then they’ll trot out all manner of ‘testimonials’ from peopel that make claism like “Vitimin B cured my diabetese” or somehtign similar- and the fact is that htere are so many variables in life, there is NO WAY they can know IF the vitimin was the cure, or of they went into remission naturally, or if some unconscious lifestyle change helped etc etc etc-

I also cringe hwen I see peopel advocating that gettign stuff liek Vitimin D is ‘all that you need to protect you from any flu” which is a crock-

you seem to be downplaying hte fact that peopel mention how many people are killed by the flu each year? I happen to think it’s a pretty powerful argument for takign hte shot- because what would htose numbers be IF there were ifnact no shots being given out? Much higher I’m betting- of htose 34,000 that do die- how many were not given shots? But you’re right- again, there’s lots of variables which we just don’t know, howver, I think there’s enough statisdtical evidence to suggest a strong correlatio nbetween protection and geting hte shots, and strong evidence showign not getting hte shot puts you at an unecessary higher risk of dying- especially with htis flu as the lungs that were autopsied showed massive damage (which incidently also happens in peopel who die fro mthe bird flu)

Anyways- long story short- like oyu say- in hte end- if peopel are scared of hte shot- or alergic- don’t get it- but PLEASE DO try to keep from spreadign hte flu IF you end up getting it as htis is goign to be a very deadly flu- especially to people with health conditions


49 posted on 09/05/2009 8:31:51 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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