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The scariest thing I've read on Afghanistan
Foreign Policy ^ | 9/1/2009 | Peter Feaver

Posted on 09/01/2009 12:43:00 PM PDT by markomalley

What is the scariest thing I have read recently on Afghanistan?

It is not the leaks from General McChrystal's strategy assessment, though they are certainly sobering enough. McChrystal's statement that the situation in Afghanistan is "serious" but salvageable should banish irrational exuberance about the war (if any is left after 8 years). But by itself, it does not indicate a worse-than-we-realize situation. On the contrary, the attentive public and the expert community has consumed a steady diet of bleak reports from the field and so I, at least, do not have to revise downward my evaluation of the battlefield prospects for McChrystal's efforts in Afghanistan.

Nor is it the steady drumbeat of complaint of electoral fraud in the recent election. It is depressing to realize that this last vote was probably the least "free and fair" of any of the several elections or referenda in the combined theaters of Afghanistan and Iraq, but the purity of the election is not the most urgent concern in Afghanistan. A better election would have been nice, but would not have substantially altered the near-to-mid-term prognosis there.

Nor even is it George Will's remarkable column calling for the United States to retreat from Afghanistan. It reads like a 3-M column: part come-home-America George McGovern, part loopy Michael Moore, and part Jack Murtha. Perhaps it is the Murtha correspondence that I find most telling, for what distinguished Murtha was the absence of any serious plan for meeting U.S. national security objectives once the troops were pulled out. George Will, at least thus far, doesn't offer one either. Will's column is a depressing read, but it is not scary.

No, the scariest thing…

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1 posted on 09/01/2009 12:43:00 PM PDT by markomalley
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"We are not getting a Bush-like commitment to this war."

This last quote really brought me up short. There are few things more toxic for effective civil-military relations in wartime than the military believing that their political commanders are not serious about seeing the conflict through to a successful conclusion.

I don't know why this would bring anyone up short. Why would anyone expect a "Bush-like commitment" out of the Obama administration? I see nothing other than "business as usual" for the Obama administration in this report.

2 posted on 09/01/2009 12:48:53 PM PDT by bcsco (Hopey changey down the drainey...)
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To: markomalley

The scariest thing is we have a muzzy in the white hut and a bunch of Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood (Saudis) people there too. My guess is intel will get leaked back to the Taliban and Al Qeada to kill our troops.

This would be like Tojo or Hitler having one of there own in the white hut during WW2.


3 posted on 09/01/2009 12:48:55 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs & Glenn Beck- American Heroes! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: bcsco

Retired Marine - now Judge Carter was in Afghan and was told by Marines that they cannot shoot back at the Taliban. This mickey mouse chicken sh*t nonsense will get American boys killed.

Hopefully Judge Carter will do his Constitutional duty in the near future.


4 posted on 09/01/2009 12:52:10 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs & Glenn Beck- American Heroes! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: markomalley
It is not the leaks from General McChrystal's strategy assessment, though they are certainly sobering enough....
Nor is it the steady drumbeat of complaint of electoral fraud in the recent election....
Nor even is it George Will's remarkable column calling for the United States to retreat from Afghanistan....
"The prospect that U.S. Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal may ask for as many as 45,000 additional American troops in Afghanistan is fueling growing tension within President Barack Obama's administration over the U.S. commitment to the war there"....There are few things more toxic for effective civil-military relations in wartime than the military believing that their political commanders are not serious about seeing the conflict through to a successful conclusion. No army can remain more resolved than the Commander-in-Chief is -- not for very long, anyway. And once doubts about that resolve seep into the interagency and theater decision-making process, they are very hard to eradicate.

Ping for later

5 posted on 09/01/2009 12:52:25 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (One man, alone! Betrayed by the country he loves, now its last hope in their final hour of need!)
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To: markomalley

I am shocked to read that Obama may lack the moral strength to see things through. Going with what way the wind blows, makes him sound like some slick Chicago politician. Say it ain’t so.....


6 posted on 09/01/2009 12:53:30 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: markomalley

Politically, the decisions about Afghanistan are lose-lose propositions for Obama.

Now he knows what it’s like to be President. It’s not a simple as being a demagogue social worker.


7 posted on 09/01/2009 12:53:38 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Health Care Reform has met the DEATH Panel.)
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To: Frantzie
was told by Marines that they cannot shoot back at the Taliban.

Robert Kaplan, in his book "Imperial Grunts", mentioned the ROE which were hamstringing the Special Forces.

8 posted on 09/01/2009 12:55:46 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Health Care Reform has met the DEATH Panel.)
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To: dog breath

Once a slick Chicago politician, always a slick Chicago politician. The O thugs have taken lessons from the Daley Machine and ratcheted it up a few notches. Did anyone expect anything less?


9 posted on 09/01/2009 12:56:59 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: markomalley

More troops in Afghanistan yet not a word from code pink or the “World Can’t Wait” Crowd.


10 posted on 09/01/2009 12:59:52 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Frantzie
This would be like Tojo or Hitler having one of there own in the white hut during WW2.

Well, Stalin did have Harry White and Alger Hiss in FDR's govt...

11 posted on 09/01/2009 1:06:05 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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A couple of months back a guest suggested that Obama cared
more about the politics of Afghanistan than the safety of our troops there. BOR became angry and replied something
to the effect that it was “ridiculous” and refused to let the guest continue. BOR is a patriot who, like most Americans, refuses to believe we have a Communist/Muslim in the White House. Beck should replace BOR in his time slot.


12 posted on 09/01/2009 1:10:21 PM PDT by charlie72
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Wasn’t Obama’s get thing during the debates about how tuff he was going to get on Afganastan? Now we’re losing ground there, and will probably bail so they can prepare for another hit on us. I never thought a democrat would do that ... /sarc


13 posted on 09/01/2009 1:12:36 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: markomalley
If this president and administration doesn't have the resolve and the ability to succeed in afghanistan, and I don't believe they or any democrat does, than we should get our brave troops out. They and their families don't deserve having to make such extraordinary sacrifices with this group of inept cowards calling the shots.
14 posted on 09/01/2009 1:12:42 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: NativeNewYorker

Everyone should read “Witness,” Whittaker Chambers’
autobiography. Not only is Harry Dexter White and Alger
Hiss exposed, including the Yalta Conference, but Chambers
explains clearly the struggle we face against Obama and
his czars.

Thanks for mentioning White and Hiss.


15 posted on 09/01/2009 1:15:45 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: paul51

Exactly right. The troops are sitting-ducks because they
are required to be fired on first. I expect a massacre of
our troops may be part of Obama’s plan.


16 posted on 09/01/2009 1:21:52 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: charlie72

He needs another “crisis” and if one doesn’t develop, he’ll make one. He can’t win this war. He has no idea what it would take, he doesn’t have the boots on the ground behind him and only his political generals will back him. We need to pull our boys and girls home....now.


17 posted on 09/01/2009 1:36:38 PM PDT by RC2
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To: markomalley
I pity anyone who is being deployed there or who has family deployed there. To me it is Vietnam redux and a waste of good honest honorable military lives to give obama the “war” he whined about during his cmapign. This is clueless Harvard pinheads running military strategy
military fuster cluck. On steroids.
18 posted on 09/01/2009 1:46:53 PM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: RC2
Agreed....

But it's the same ol thing....

When politicians are in charge of a war.....troops will die, when they shouldn't have.

Period.

19 posted on 09/01/2009 1:53:53 PM PDT by Osage Orange (A community organizer cannot bitch when communities organize..... - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: charlie72

Witness is an amazing book, and I agree it should be read by every Freeper.


20 posted on 09/01/2009 2:00:48 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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