Russian Professor: Collapse Of America Could Begin In Two Months

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[Pantera]

For later.

[taildragger]

And he has never heard of the "Confederate Airforce"...

Oops excuse me, they have some PC name that many of the members can't stand....

[wxgesr]

Черта вы свиньи шлюха матушки-России.

[outpostinmass2]

It was pure numbers that won the civil war. The Irish were conscripted as soon as they got off their boats.

There is still manufacturing being done in the cities today. Not as much as years ago though.

It was the invention of air conditioning and cheap southern labor that brought manufacturing to the south. There was never really any manufacturing being done before WWII or before the Civil War in the south.

The governments in most cities are broke which really means that they can't fund their public pensions. If they converted to 401k’s the revenue problem would end tomorrow.

Manufacturing as a whole in this country is smaller percentage of the total economy and cities have about the same amount of manufacturing as the rest of the country.

This is a crazy post by the way, I saw similar ones on D.U.

The south's economy in the Civil War was devastated because it no longer had cheap slave labor to work it's fields.

[Texas Fossil]

I have seen some of those elegant old war birds and some of their pilots. Great plane and Great people.

Would not have a chance against an F22, but I do not believe that our military will EVER fire on the citizens of the U.S.

I do believe we are rapidly approaching the “total Train Wreck” of this so-called administration. Total implosion soon.

Now all we need is evidence of his BC, college records, passport records and his campaign finance records investigated thoroughly.

[raptor29]

The ‘readers digest’ version wouldn’t include such inaccurate portrayals of current American demographics. He makes himself look like a fool with statements such as a ‘growing Chinese influence’ on the west coast of the U.S. is the defining demographic factor for the region.

[GonzoGOP]

I'll take on your arguments one at a time It was pure numbers that won the civil war. The Irish were conscripted as soon as they got off their boats.

Works for a geographic war, my point is this one won't be. And if it is only numbers how did sparsely populated rural China defeat the coastal cities in the 1940s? Why can't the more populated cities of Afghanistan or Pakistan control the countryside? In a war with front lines numbers are everything. In a guerrilla war large numbers are just people you have to worry about keeping fed. Try reading Mao for the tactics instead of the politics next time.

There is still manufacturing being done in the cities today. Not as much as years ago though.

Wasn't that what I said?

It was the invention of air conditioning and cheap southern labor that brought manufacturing to the south. There was never really any manufacturing being done before WWII or before the Civil War in the south.

A lot of the aircraft industry moved south during WWII. Before WWII it was centered in Ohio and up state New York. By the end of the war it was almost entirely in Texas, Missouri, and California. Cheap labor and AC helped, but the war made it move a lot faster.

The governments in most cities are broke which really means that they can't fund their public pensions. If they converted to 401k’s the revenue problem would end tomorrow.
Doesn't that come under the suburban and rural areas, who don't want to bail out their pensions, telling them what services and benefits they can offer? Wasn't that what I said would have to happen?

Manufacturing as a whole in this country is smaller percentage of the total economy and cities have about the same amount of manufacturing as the rest of the country.

Thats my point, prior to the 1960s the manufacturing was located almost exclusively in the big urban centers. Think about cities like Pittsburgh, Gary Indiana, Detroit, Cleavland. Prior to the 1970s cities were the great creaters of wealth. They could afford to pay the rural areas for water rights and such without blinking an eye. "Look we will pave your roads and build you some schools, just keep the water running OK." Now only the cities with big trading centers are the only ones to turn profits, and then only when the markets are up.

This is a crazy post by the way, I saw similar ones on D.U.
Name calling, that makes you so cool.

The south's economy in the Civil War was devastated because it no longer had cheap slave labor to work it's fields.

I'm calling BS on that one. It was cheaper to hire an Irishman than to feed a slave. If the only problem they had faced was the end of slavery they could have adapted.

Of course the burning of their major cities (Atlanta, Richmond, Columbia) and killing off most of a generation of their young men probably didn't have much effect then. Oh and the fact that the Federal government, completely dominated by union states until readmission, routed all the transcontinental railroads through the union stats didn't hurt the south either. Think that was an accident read the book Union Pacific by Maury Klein, that goes over the politics behind where that railroad would be located. Here's a hint, look at the name. The fruits of the western states would not flow into the pockets of former Confederates. That policy only ended around the 1890s, as I pointed out in my original post.

[RobRoy]

>>He makes himself look like a fool with statements such as a ‘growing Chinese influence’ on the west coast of the U.S. is the defining demographic factor for the region.<<

Being someone who lives in the Seattle area, married to a woman who was a real estate agent for a few years at the begining of he century, I think he is closer to the truth than you give him credit for.

[raptor29]

Being someone who lives in Southern California, if you’re looking for demographics change, Chinese is well down the list.

[outpostinmass2]

I’m calling BS on that one. It was cheaper to hire an Irishman than to feed a slave. If the only problem they had faced was the end of slavery they could have adapted.

I’m calling B.S. right back. The Irish and other immigrants were only cheap labor for a short time and then they moved onto higher paying jobs. The slave owners didn’t spend a whole lot of money feeding slaves if any at all. They also traded and sold slaves like cattle which was another big source of their economy.

The Union Pacific railroad was started before the Civil War and mostly completed during the war.

The Wilmington, Columbia and Augusta railroad was built before and after the Civil War eventually being rolled into the Atlantic Coast Line by 1893. This was a sprawling railroad that ran throughout the south. Those cities that were burned were really mid size towns. Baltimore was a much bigger city when it was burned by the British in 1812 and it became a thriving port again in ten years.

If ending slavery wouldn’t have harmed the south economicly then there would never have been a civil war. The southern states would have ended it and then gone on to higher back the help. Slavery was a great source of wealth in the south both in trading as well as labor. Once it was ended people saw their wealth gone. Burned crops and fields can be tilled again to provide food.

Manufacturing may have expanded south during WWII but no manufacturing closed up north during this time to move south. Most manufacturing that moved south happened after WWII and airconditioning was one of the biggest factors. Eventually those jobs left for Mexico and no onto China.

[RobRoy]

Well yeah. There are not that many Spanish speaking Chinese.

[GonzoGOP]

The Union Pacific railroad was started before the Civil War and mostly completed during the war.

OK try reading history. No seriously it is a good thing. Or perhaps hit the UP web site, info is all there.

Union Pacific railroad. chartered 1862 Terminus decided by Congress March 1864
Lee Surrenders April 9,1865
First rail laid July 10, 1865
Last completed May 10, 1869.

Not one rail, not one spike, not one shovel full of dirt was moved until the Civil War was over.

If ending slavery wouldn’t have harmed the south economically then there would never have been a civil war.

I didn't say it wouldn't hurt, I said they could have adapted. Big difference. The cost to pay a free black or import labor was higher, but not cripplingly so. The big hit to the cotton industry was the loss of markets, caused by cotton from India. The development of these sources of raw cotton was a direct result of the CW and afterward by trade wars brought about by norther factory owners who wanted to keep out British goods.

The Wilmington, Columbia and Augusta railroad was built before and after the Civil War eventually being rolled into the Atlantic Coast Line by 1893.

And as for ACL, how did those move goods from the newly opened west into the former Confederacy? Best I can tell the Atlantic Coast Line was mostly a north-south trunk line that ran, wait for it, along the Atlantic Coast. The big Transcons, Santa Fe (St Louis), UP (Omaha), NP (Twin Cities), GN (Twin Cities) all went into the north. The cattle raised in Texas were loaded on trains and sent to Chicago to be made into steak and leather.

[outpostinmass2]

I have read history. Although I forgot that that the transconental railroad was two railroads albeit only for a short period:

From the building of the transcontinental:

“The Central Pacific faced with the prodigious feat of building a road over the Sierra Nevada mountains started work in 1863.”

I would say a couple of shovels full of dirt and a few spikes were laid during the civil war. Though it wasn't the Union Pacific but a railroad funded by the U.S that joined with the Union Pacific.

Which by the way the Union Pacific eventually merged with the Central Pacific.

I agree history is a good thing maybe you should read a little too.

By the way the Atlantic Coast line connected to the Texas and Pacific in New Orleans, via ship and rail. See map from 1885:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/1885_ACL_map.jpg

The Texas and the Pacific ran west all the way to California.

[GonzoGOP]

Last railroad post because I tire of this and it is off topic.

The Central Pacific faced with the prodigious feat of building a road over the Sierra Nevada mountains started work in 1863

From the CP history, on May 13, 1865; Central Pacific opened 36 miles of track. The Sierra Nevada is tought going, but 18 miles a year? Wow so the UP hadn't started work and the CP had laid something less than 36 miles of track. Considering that they would be laying 10 miles a day by the end I would say they spent most of the time between 1863-65 raising money and buying politicians. At least that what the history say they were doing at that time. Total miles at completion 1776. Your assertion was that the transcontinental was mostly completed by the end of the Civil War. How does that square with railroad that is less than 2% complete?

The Texas and the Pacific ran west all the way to California.

Under terms of Gould-Huntington Agreement the Texas and Pacific was to build no further than Sierra Blanca, ninety-two miles east of El Paso. California, not so much. At the time of its merger into the Missouri Pacific in 1976 the Texas and Pacific owned 1,982 miles of main track in Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Arkansas.

[outpostinmass2]

Look there were railroads in the South during and after the Civil War. You said there were none.

The CP from California linked with TP in Sierra Blanca Texas. Originally it was charted to go San Diego. You said there was no link to California from the South. That is not correct.

The South had problems and much of it was it's own.

[Sudetenland]

True about the different times business, but I would repeat what TJ wrote in the Declaration:

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

Slow to anger but terrible in vengence. (Huh...just found a new tagline :))

[GonzoGOP]

Look there were railroads in the South during and after the Civil War. You said there were none.

Never did, show the quote or shut up. I said the transcons were routed to northern states, and they were. I listed the transcontinental, and their eastern termini.

You use ACL as an example of a southern transcontinental, It isn't.

You claimed that the first transcontinental was largely complete by the end of the civil war. It wasn't They had laid less than 36 miles of track.

You said T & P went all the way to the Pacific, it didn't. It didn't because the federal government wouldn't let them build in competition with a northern transcontinental (CP). Eventually forcing the railroad into receivership.

My original point was that the south took a long time to recover from the Civil War, they did. I tried to make the point that northern interference during reconstruction contributed to it, it did. I don't see how the T&P example contradicts that.

[John123]

he likes to talk but hasn’t really managed to do anything.

I disagree! He managed to create the largest debt ever while creating zippo stimulus to the economy... if anything, Obama is a liberal wet dream...

[riri]

My in-laws, a huge Hispanic family (10 kids, 20+ grandkids) are as Texan as you can get. They are as conservative as you and I, particularly on cultural issues.

I agree. Living in Arizona for quite some time, I understand the hybrid Mexican-American culture that has developed. It's mostly been positive.

Our real problem with the Mexican immigrants lies with the sheer volume and the 2nd or 3rd generations from broken families that have been radicalized by our educational system. They have been taught that they are victims.

[sport]

Actually it began in the 1960’s when the Communists got control of the Democrat Party, universities, courts, and the news organizations sided with the Communists.

It is now too late to stop it at the voting booth.