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Posted on 08/31/2009 4:48:22 AM PDT by IbJensen
Changes are coming to the Catholic English-speaking world in the form of a new translation of the Mass.
The Roman Catholic liturgy, which has been said in English for over 30 years, will undergo a significant revision. English-speaking bishops will vote on final portions of the new translation in November.
The translation will bring a new translation of the Mass to the United States, Canada, the U.K., Australia, and the rest of the English-speaking world. The book with the translation, known as the Sacramentary for the past 30 years, will be known again by its original name, the Roman Missal.
To prepare priests and the faithful for the new translation, the Archdiocese of Philadelphia is beginning a program of preparation in anticipation of the new translation.
"In the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, we are going to have two phases to prepare and introduce the missal," said Fr. Dennis Gill, Director of Worship for the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. "The first, beginning this September, is remote preparation, where we will conduct workshops for priests and for their responsibility to help the people prepare for it. We will also meet with deacons and religious sisters so all throughout this year, from September to September, there will be general catechesis to look at the new English translation and its theological and liturgical richness. The second phase will have hands-on catechesis as to how to pray and sing the new Missal."
The revision of the Missal has been a long process and its root cause is the new Latin version of the Missal released by Pope John Paul II in 2000. The Vatican's Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments issued a document called Liturgiam Authenticam, in 2001 to aid in the translation of the new Missal.
"Liturgiam Authenticam made a very significant change as far as how translation should be carried out," said Fr. Gill. "Before it, the Latin was translated more in terms of sense of what it was saying. So when our books were translated, many times the precision with which it communicated the faith was lost. Liturgiam Authenticam now requires a more literal translation."
Fr. Gill said that when the new Missal was published, the new rules for translation applied, meaning that the text will be more faithful to the theological and liturgical richness contained in the original Latin.
Fr. Gill emphasized that none of the changes coming are arbitrary, but are the result of a careful faithfulness to the Latin text.
"One of the things that we notice immediately with the new translation of the Latin into English is an older more enriched expression with all of the translation," he said. "The adjectives and adverbs that would be missing in the current translation would be reintroduced. The nuance of the Roman Rite in the liturgical text becomes more pronounced. Syntactically, the new translation corresponds more to the Latin."
Because of that, there are significant changes to some hallmarks Catholics might be familiar with in the Mass currently. The dialogue between the priest and the people, "The Lord be with you," will soon be replied to in reflection of the Latin with "And with your spirit." The Gloria, sung at most Sunday Masses, will include portions typically omitted in the current translation.
Further, Fr. Gill pointed out that physical imagery that was lost in the current translation would be recovered in the new translation. The invitation to Communion, known in Latin as the Ecce Agnus Dei, currently says, "Lord I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed." The new translation pulls the quote directly from scripture, saying, "Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed."
Fr. Gill said that the faithful can begin educating themselves right now about the changes that will be coming once the Vatican approves the translation. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) has started a website dedicated to preparing Catholics for changes to the Mass, and there are resources available at the Archdiocese of Philadelphia's website as well.
The USCCB website gives examples of the new translation so that the laity can familiarize themselves with the coming changes.
"Among other things, the third edition contains prayers for the celebration of recently canonized saints, additional prefaces for the Eucharistic Prayers, additional Masses and Prayers for Various Needs and Intentions, and some updated and revised rubrics (instructions) for the celebration of the Mass," according to the USCCB.
"In the years since Vatican II we have learned a lot about the use of the vernacular in the liturgy and the new texts reflect this new understanding," said Bishop Arthur Serratelli, who heads the USCCB Committee on Divine Worship.
"We have a great opportunity during this period not only to learn about the changes, not only to learn about the revised texts, but also to deepen our own understanding of the Liturgy itself," said Bishop Serratelli. "We encourage priests, deacons, religious, liturgical ministers, all the faithful to avail themselves of the information that we are making available."
The USCCB website can be accessed at http://www.usccb.org/romanmissal and the Archdiocese of Philadelphia's Office for Worship can be accessed at http://archphila.org/evangelization/worship/worship.htm
It used to be that when one heard mass in a foreign country that person knew what happening. Now those English speaking franchisees will have yet another change to contend with.
Those Catholics who are upset with this and see it as another act of heresy can find comfort in a traditional Roman Catholic church or chapel where only the Tridentine Mass is said.
I also always disliked the “rock and roll” music Masses!
Since Pius XII it appears as though heretics have been in charge.
Now Benedict is issuing forth encyclicals that espouse world governance.
Yep. Globalist Oligarchy Double Speak
>>Why is this a good idea?<<
Why is it not a good idea? The language of the church is Latin. We have dumbed down the Holy Mass until the local Lutheran Service is more reverent.
Personally, I don’t care if anyone wants a “Happy Catholic” mass. However, when that is all that is offered in a Vicariate, we have a problem. That’s fine that you want the fluff mass, I want the traditional NO Mass with all the smells, bells and a sprinkling of Latin.
For me personally, the changes in the text serve to emphasize the point that salvation is not a given; that God is reaching out to us; but we, likewise, must reach out to God. One of my favorite changes is in the Gloria:
"Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to people of good will."
However, I too would also like more opportunities to attend the Latin Mass.
Why is it a good idea to gloss over the Latin and produce "translations" that bear little resemblance to the text being translated?
Try as hard as you like to mangle it, et cum spiritu tuo means "And with your spirit," not "And also with you."
They forgot that, unlike them, God always was and always will be. He, like Jesus, doesn't wear Nikes and has no use for 'modernism' as it is anathema for the continued healthy life of the Roman Catholic Church.
The awful truth is there aren't very many 'conservatives' in the Novus Ordo Catholic Church. They've gone elsewhere. You'll find them wherever the Tridentine Mass is offered on a regular basis and the churches haven't been gutted.
You, mom, have hit the proverbial nail squarely on the head!
I dig what you're saying.
The English translation of the Mass as we currently hear it in American parishes was put together by people in thrall to the modernist fear of the mysterious, and is at war with the senses. Created by the International Committee on English in the Liturgy (ICEL), its peculiarities include omitting the word "soul" anywhere it appears in the Vatican-approved, Latin text of the New Mass. Generally, the translation veers away from reverence, graceful usage, or powerful imagery, and specifically avoids any time-honored phrases from the Mass that have made their way into common English usage. This Mass translation was the result of a ferocious faction of priests, nuns, and lay "liturgists," who are now in their 60s and 70s, whose animating belief was that what the Church needs is a complete break from its history, especially in customs and aesthetics.
Some of these people are actually at war with Catholic and Christian belief. But many have been perfectly orthodox. But Father, forgive them, they did not know what they were doing.
When you put their droopy Mass translation together with the inaccurate, pedestrian, illiterate, and masculinity-suppressing Bible revisions that began spawning in the 1970s, it takes a strong faith (and stomach) to sit through an average Mass in the U.S. today. It is the sacrament itself, and the quite inspiring faith of the average people and most of the priests that redeem the occasion.
In recent years, JPII and B-16 began stacking ICEL with better translators. From the Mass, the forthcoming, accurate translation for "Domine, non sum dignus . . ." that does not strangle the centurion's quote is a welcome sign. We'll see in due time if our bishops have the brass to approve an accurate translation of the Scriptures themselves. That would require them to ashcan inane phrases now heard at Mass in the reading of the Epistles, such as "Brothers and sisters . . ." which St. Paul never uttered.
Thank you, but I have to tell you that I know this only by personal experience.
I was at a “Happy Catholic” parish. Holding Hands, raising them up, the lady who stood at the front and “led” the congregation with a lift of her arms, no crucifix, tabernacle off to the side, the whole nine yards.
I joined the education committee because my first grader was in a “Religious Education” class where transubstantiation was being taught. When a boy asked “Is it really blood?”, the teacher replied “no” with no other explanation.
What I found on that committee was that the DRE was more interested in a “good experience” than sticking to the rubrics. The more “feel good” the better. Then she wondered why people would go to Trinity Lutheran on the corner sometimes. Well when my daughter had attended Preschool at Trinity, I was required to attend service there. I would go to mass on Sunday and to their service on Monday night. It was more like the mass I grew up in than the Charismatic/Pentecostal wannabe mass at my parish.
I escaped to here
I hope that the person who reported the indirect discourse, and not Fr. Gill, made the verb-subject agreement error.
...and it took only 45 years.
And I thought Deo Gratias meant "Have a nice day."
Wouldn't, "And back atcha" be a little more hip?
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