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To: Paleo Conservative

75% no, but ya can’t fix stupid:

“In case you missed it, Whole Foods CEO John Mackey wrote a ridiculous editorial in the Wall Street Journal against Obama’s health care reform effort. Mackey basically says health care — and even food and shelter — are commodities people shouldn’t feel they have a right to”


7 posted on 08/30/2009 10:24:01 AM PDT by dynachrome (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: dynachrome
Whole Foods CEO John Mackey wrote a ridiculous editorial in the Wall Street Journal

Whole Foods CEO John Mackey wrote a brilliant factual editorial in the Wall Street Journal elaborating on a simple fix to 'cure' most of the ills of America's Healthcare industry. Fixes that mostly had been implemented at WF, saving the company millions. Union thugs and ACORN now are boycotting WFMI! So sales have increased recently, now that the riff-raff no longer shop there.

29 posted on 08/30/2009 11:15:20 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: dynachrome
"...Mackey basically says health care — and even food and shelter — are commodities people shouldn’t feel they have a right to”

He is right.

I oppose Health Care Reform (HCR) because it is a direct assault on individual liberties. I think that is its main purpose.

HCR is not just about rationing and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of all individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist basic human right to health care spreads throughout the legal and political system like a virus.

Congressman Anthony Weiner says that health care is not a commodity. If health care is not a commodity then doctors and nurses are not free and sovereign citizens. If health care is a right then health care workers are slaves to that right who must serve it. No health care worker could refuse to provide their services, for any reason, because that would violate the patient's basic human right to health care.

That means that health care providers have no individual rights. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set their fees, their hours or change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is provided by the government to all not protected by the government as something possessed by each person. It is also a state right because it supersedes the individual rights of others when the two come into conflict.

It isn't stated in any of the bills that a patient's rights to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights are always adjudicated in the courts. The legislation simply establishes the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the patient's collective right to health care.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it is superior to an individual right. Fascist because it is overseen by one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the true possessor of this collective right and the administrator and enforcer of it as well.

Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of the entire Health Care Reform legislation the House and Senate have put forth. Consider the setting up of community watch dogs to monitor various health parameters of citizens in the Senate version of the bill. Look at pages 382 - 393.

TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS

Even the citizens themselves will be subject to state set regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the human right of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the state's control over its health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights?

Health Care is a Liberty Issue Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin

Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights (An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)

Collective rights, such as a right to health care, is Marxist communism to its core.

47 posted on 08/30/2009 2:15:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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