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Incoming!! More income redistribution. Returning wealth to its rightful owners.
1 posted on 08/30/2009 8:45:35 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

This is a declaration of war on the middleclsass


28 posted on 08/30/2009 9:23:12 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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People have to decide if they want the government out of their lives or only out of their lives when it benefits them. The government shouldn’t be in the home ownership incentive business any more than the health care business, cash for clunkers, etc.


29 posted on 08/30/2009 9:30:24 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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I’m against both the mortgage deduction and the home buyers tax credit. Pointless expenditures and giveaways.


30 posted on 08/30/2009 9:34:10 AM PDT by ConservativeInMaine
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People with mortgages also pay real estate taxes so those people itemize. The 15% credit cuts the present tax deduction in half. A person paying $10K in mortgage interest will recoup about $3K when he files his 1040. With this plan it will be $1.5K.

This will deincentivize home ownership. (Reds don't like private property anyway) It will come back to bite school districts. In NY districts justify tax increases with the caveat that the homeowner will get 1/3 back when he files. I can see many school budgets failing to pass. Think of society as a pond. Dumping mortgage interest isn't tossing a pebble in that pond, it's tossing a boulder. Its effects can't be measured beforehand.

33 posted on 08/30/2009 9:40:53 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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When you add up all the Dems’ penalties for earning income it becomes clear that you are better off not doing so.


34 posted on 08/30/2009 9:45:39 AM PDT by Brilliant
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Wow, $41 billion that will reduce a $14 trillion debt in a NT minute.


36 posted on 08/30/2009 9:49:40 AM PDT by razorback-bert (We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers.)
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I dont see how this can pass. It would have the most impact in CA and NY. Nanny Pelosi and Schmucky Schumer will not let something like that happen.


42 posted on 08/30/2009 10:21:46 AM PDT by freespirited (The only thing growing faster than the deficit is Chris Matthews' man crush on Obama -- Tim Pawlenty)
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Primarily lower- and moderate-income taxpayers who don't itemize on their returns.

Looks like any taxpayer that doesn't live in a million dollar house with a million dollar mortgage. I realize that it's hard for people in San Jose and New York City to accept but that includes most of us.

45 posted on 08/30/2009 10:26:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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This would affect me but it would hammer the limousine liberals on the coasts a lot more. I say do it.


47 posted on 08/30/2009 10:27:41 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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Two good references on how federal tax farmers view the “tax expenditures” for owner-occupied housing: deduction for mortgage interest and exclusion of inputed rental income from homeownership. (All your money is their’s, and when you are permitted to keep some of it, it’s called “tax expenditures”.)

http://real.wharton.upenn.edu/~sinai/papers/Poterba-Sinai-2008-ASSA-final.pdf

February 24, 2009, 7:40 am
Killing (or Maiming) a Sacred Cow: Home Mortgage Deductions
By Edward L. Glaeser

Edward L. Glaeser is an economics professor at Harvard.

The Great Depression provided an opportunity to rethink old policies in a major way. In the current morass, everything should, once again, be open for debate. One sacred cow that has long been in need of a good stockyard is the home mortgage interest deduction. So, in the spirit of libertarian progressivism, I suggest gradually reducing the upper limit on the deduction to loans of up to $300,000, and then refunding the tax revenues in a more productive manner.

The tax code allows homeowners to deduct the interest on loans used to buy, build or improve a home, for mortgage principals up to $1,000,000. (For mortgages used for other things – say, to finance the purchase of a car, or pay for college tuition – homeowners can deduct the interest they pay on loans of up to $100,000.)

A wide range of economists have long found fault with the deduction. Here are a few of the reasons:

Problem #1: Subsidizing interest payments encourages people to leverage themselves to the hilt to bet on housing markets. The size of the tax benefit is proportional to your debt. The deduction essentially encourages us to make leveraged bets on the swings of the housing market. That leverage means that housing price swings can easily wipe people out. We are currently experiencing the consequences of subsidizing gambles on housing.

Problem #2: The deduction pushes up prices in places where the supply of new homes is constrained, as it is in many coastal markets. Economics 101 teaches us that if we subsidize demand where supply is inelastic then the only effect is to make prices go up. Housing supply is pretty constrained in places like New York City because of land-use restrictions and lack of land. In these places, the deduction doesn’t make housing more affordable. It just transfers money from buyers to sellers, and that makes little sense.

Problem #3: The deduction is wildly regressive. The tax savings for households earning more than $250,000 is 10 times the tax savings for households earning between $40,000 and $75,000 a year, according to recent research by James Poterba and Todd Sinai.

If there ever was a case for small-government egalitarianism, then this is it. Eliminating the home mortgage deduction and replacing it with an across-the-board tax cut would equalize after-tax incomes without a single new government program.

Problem #4: The deduction encourages people to buy larger, single-family detached homes, and that increases carbon emissions and pushes people out of cities. The deduction encourages people to buy more expensive homes, which are generally bigger homes.

Bigger homes use more energy. The deduction is therefore implicitly urging Americans to run higher electricity bills and spend more on home heating. If global warming is a serious problem, then the government should be encouraging us to live in smaller, not bigger, dwellings.

Problem #5: The home mortgage interest deduction is poorly designed to encourage homeownership, which is, after all, the alleged desideratum. Much of the interest deduction’s benefits go to richer Americans who are likely to own homes in any case.

Poorer people who are on the margin of buying and renting often don’t even itemize. My own research in this area found that when the value of the interest deduction rose, during periods of high inflation, there was no observable increase in the homeownership rate.

If the goal of the deduction is just to increase homeownership, then it would make far more sense just to give a flat tax credit to people who buy homes. If the credit was independent of home value, then this would eliminate the incentive to buy bigger homes. If the credit was independent of borrowing, then this would decrease the incentive to over-borrow.

Now, I do understand that drastically reducing the cap on the mortgage interest rate now, in the midst of a housing crash, would be kicking the markets when they are down. Yet this crisis provides us with an opportunity to act that will be lost if we wait until housing prices rise again.

So here is my utterly quixotic proposal. Enact legislation now that will gradually decrease the cap on the mortgage principal for which homeowners can deduct interest payments by $100,000 a year over the next seven years until it hits $300,000.

The effect during the next two years should be sufficiently small that it will be unnoticeable in the current environment. Ending the madness of encouraging Americans to bet everything on housing, we can hopefully reduce the odds of a tragic repeat of the current boom-bust cycle.


49 posted on 08/30/2009 10:35:26 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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Obama and dems want us to be a country of renters.

Angry, packed in ugly high rises - broken - renters.

Because depressed renters fall for dem lies about how "things will get better if you vote for us".

Look at the crime ridden hopeless inner cities - all fertile dem ground...

52 posted on 08/30/2009 10:45:48 AM PDT by GOPJ (Socialism : Envy gussied up as a political cause...... David Horowitz)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Talk about a tax increase for the middle class. This would be it in spades.


54 posted on 08/30/2009 11:13:19 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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Who'd benefit? Primarily lower- and moderate-income taxpayers who don't itemize on their returns. Who'd pay more? People with big mortgages and higher-than-average incomes, who are far more likely to itemize under current rules.

I think they are going to be disappointed with their net "taking". AMT already kills the mortgage deduction. Something does not smell right with this.
56 posted on 08/30/2009 11:31:20 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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Re-pa-ra-ti-ons. In camoflage. If it helps some porr whites well that’s not what was intended but we gotta appear unbiased and keep people unawares to what we’re doing.


66 posted on 08/30/2009 12:30:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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It's the continual changing of tax laws and social engineering that have to stop. Take the power away from Congress and pass the Fair Tax now.

Government should not be able to “incentivize” via tax breaks all aspects of our lives, let the free market work. Look what happened when Congress tried to make home ownership available to uncreditworthy people, we are paying for that now, WHY?

78 posted on 08/30/2009 3:32:08 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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