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To: BlackElk

“My Irish grandmother got off the boat from Cork in Southie in 1895 when she was a twelve-year old. Trust me: You don’t have a clue about “the pugnacious part of the Irish personality”

LOL! You make my point. You are a perfect example of the pugnacious Irish personality. Your whole tome is pugnacious, and aggressive, and vituperative, and downright nasty towards your own religion. By the way, I too had an Irish grandmother, right off the boat. We have something in common. If you want to hate your own religion because it isn’t pure enough for you, feel free. Lots of Irish hate Catholicism for one reason or the other. I choose not to.

I think this Pope is great, and piece by piece he is changing the Church back to its original traditional stance, and I hope he lives long enough to accomplish his ends. There will be blips and burps along the way, but I’m rooting for him. I hate to inject such a cheery thought into a conversation with someone who obviously is more interested in axes to grind than anything else. What side of the bed did you get up on this morning?


98 posted on 08/30/2009 9:21:08 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Mike Pence is looking good to me.)
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To: flaglady47
I also think this pope is great. I think Catholicism is the one True religion founded by Jesus Christ Himself and guaranteed by him. IO support the Catholic Faith. I refise to make excusez for apostates like Teddy or his phony relatives who make believe they are Catholic while having more damage to genuine Catholiciosm than any other factor in American life.

I love Catholicism. It is phonies like the Kennedys and their apologists that I despise. If and when any of them return to the Faith, I will reconsider and not one moment earlier.

I got up on the Cathooic side of the bed this and every other morning. If you cannot distinguish between Teddy and an actual Catholic, you are in over your head (something that has been known to happen on occasion among those who just cannot resist the sCamelot of it all.

Oh, and my grandmother spent many of her early years working for James Michael Curley who sent Honey Fitz packing from public life. She despised Honey Fitz and other Castle Irish scum who were Teddy's ancestors. And a good thing too!

Let us not confuse the Faith with its temporary diocesan administrators. Do you enthuse for Roger Cardinal McPhony of LA (weeping oceans of tears over Teddy's demise and B-XVI's rise) or do you "hate the Church?" False dichotomy.

Do you congratulate Bernard Cardinal Law on the spiffy job that he did in playing musical priests as his response to the, ummmm, late unpleasantness between many of his subordinate clergy (i.e. Slattery and the late Geoghegan) and the boys they raped or do you hate the Church? False dichotomy.

The fact that you had an Irish grandmother obviously did not insulate you from Kennedy disease any more than his Irish great grandmother protected Teddy from being a rank apostate. The trouble lies not with the Faith but with those who, like Teddy and his apparent admirers, are will =ing to redefine the Faith so that they can claim Kennedys to be part of it.

The likely next Kennedy to hold that Senate seat is Joseph (Bobby's spawn) who married Sheila Rauch (an Episcopalian) in a sacramental Catholic wedding but then wanted to turn her in for a later model (one of Joey's Congressional Office, ummm, secretaries). Sheila studied up on Canon Law and would not go quietly. Cardinal Law's toadies apparently had no problem granting Joey his requested annulment so he could marry his new main squeeze in a Catholic wedding and keep the myth of Kennedy Catholicism alive for future gulling of Catholic practitioners of Hyannisport mania. He will now have to explain how Catholic he is to continue his invalid relationship with wife #2 AFTER the Rota (Vatican Appellate Court as to matters marital) overturned the decision of the Hoston Marriage Tribunal and granted Sheila the requested decree ruling her marriage to Joey valid. I can't wait to hear his rationalizations when wife #1 goes on the attack and Joey and his defenders explain that, as a Kennedy, he can make it up as he goes along, stay with "wife" #2 and spit on the Vatican while playing make believe "Catholic."

I am certainly pugnacious, aggressive and maybe even vituperative. OTOH, I uphold the standards of the Catholic Faith as you do not. Hence you are in no position to claim I have been "downright nasty" toward Catholicism. Going after hypocrisy and evil in lefty AmChurch circles lay or clerical is being good to the Church and hard on her enemies.

If you slurp up the Kennedy Kool Aid, then you are no friend of the Catholicism they have undermined, whatever you may say. As Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said: You are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own "facts." When tradition is restored, it will be over the dead bodies of Klan Kennedy and their sycophants.

100 posted on 08/30/2009 9:14:48 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: flaglady47
I also think this pope is great. I think Catholicism is the one True religion founded by Jesus Christ Himself and guaranteed by him. IO support the Catholic Faith. I refise to make excusez for apostates like Teddy or his phony relatives who make believe they are Catholic while having more damage to genuine Catholiciosm than any other factor in American life.

I love Catholicism. It is phonies like the Kennedys and their apologists that I despise. If and when any of them return to the Faith, I will reconsider and not one moment earlier.

I got up on the Cathooic side of the bed this and every other morning. If you cannot distinguish between Teddy and an actual Catholic, you are in over your head (something that has been known to happen on occasion among those who just cannot resist the sCamelot of it all.

Oh, and my grandmother spent many of her early years working for James Michael Curley who sent Honey Fitz packing from public life. She despised Honey Fitz and other Castle Irish scum who were Teddy's ancestors. And a good thing too!

Let us not confuse the Faith with its temporary diocesan administrators. Do you enthuse for Roger Cardinal McPhony of LA (weeping oceans of tears over Teddy's demise and B-XVI's rise) or do you "hate the Church?" False dichotomy.

Do you congratulate Bernard Cardinal Law on the spiffy job that he did in playing musical priests as his response to the, ummmm, late unpleasantness between many of his subordinate clergy (i.e. Slattery and the late Geoghegan) and the boys they raped or do you hate the Church? False dichotomy.

The fact that you had an Irish grandmother obviously did not insulate you from Kennedy disease any more than his Irish great grandmother protected Teddy from being a rank apostate. The trouble lies not with the Faith but with those who, like Teddy and his apparent admirers, are will =ing to redefine the Faith so that they can claim Kennedys to be part of it.

The likely next Kennedy to hold that Senate seat is Joseph (Bobby's spawn) who married Sheila Rauch (an Episcopalian) in a sacramental Catholic wedding but then wanted to turn her in for a later model (one of Joey's Congressional Office, ummm, secretaries). Sheila studied up on Canon Law and would not go quietly. Cardinal Law's toadies apparently had no problem granting Joey his requested annulment so he could marry his new main squeeze in a Catholic wedding and keep the myth of Kennedy Catholicism alive for future gulling of Catholic practitioners of Hyannisport mania. He will now have to explain how Catholic he is to continue his invalid relationship with wife #2 AFTER the Rota (Vatican Appellate Court as to matters marital) overturned the decision of the Hoston Marriage Tribunal and granted Sheila the requested decree ruling her marriage to Joey valid. I can't wait to hear his rationalizations when wife #1 goes on the attack and Joey and his defenders explain that, as a Kennedy, he can make it up as he goes along, stay with "wife" #2 and spit on the Vatican while playing make believe "Catholic."

I am certainly pugnacious, aggressive and maybe even vituperative. OTOH, I uphold the standards of the Catholic Faith as you do not. Hence you are in no position to claim I have been "downright nasty" toward Catholicism. Going after hypocrisy and evil in lefty AmChurch circles lay or clerical is being good to the Church and hard on her enemies.

If you slurp up the Kennedy Kool Aid, then you are no friend of the Catholicism they have undermined, whatever you may say. As Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said: You are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own "facts." When tradition is restored, it will be over the dead bodies of Klan Kennedy and their sycophants.

101 posted on 08/30/2009 9:22:14 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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