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To: rxsid
You are correct, the laws of one country cannot take a person's citizenship of another country away from them.

However, the UK can and did take Obama’s UK citizenship from him, per Section 2, Paragraph 2 of the Kenya Independence Act as I quoted to you. That was automatic, per the Act because Obama became a Kenyan citizen on Kenya's Independence Day.

I should note that by 1963 the UK had plenty of experience in granting independence to colonies and knew what to do in order to adjust the citizenship of all parties concerned. If Obama were to apply for a UK passport tomorrow, he would be denied it.

Kenya took his Kenyan citizenship from him in 1982 when he failed to renounce his US citizenship.

If Obama is a British citizen it is because he was never a Kenyan citizen and I don't think his Mau Mau sympathizer father would have stood for that.

After 1982 the only officially documented citizenship Obama has left is his US citizenship. (I'm not touching the Indonesia question, because I think Lolo Sotereo was lying and bribing people to get his stepson into a good school.)

In my opinion, if Obama was born on US soil then he is a natural born citizen for purposes or being President of the United States, because he had his US citizenship at birth, regardless of any other citizenships he may have been born with or held. Those citizenships have no standing under US law. They have no standing for any other purpose under US law I doubt they would for the Presidency.

In my opinion, if he was born outside the US he is probably still a natural born citizen because the law in force at the time would probably not withstand constitutional scrutiny and could probably be held to deny Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama Jr, due process of law by imposing an arbitrary deadline. It would have to be fought out in court, and would be embarrassing to Obama, but he would probably win and be declared a US citizen from birth.

305 posted on 08/29/2009 2:22:22 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
"In my opinion, if Obama was born on US soil then he is a natural born citizen for purposes or being President of the United States"

You admitted earlier that he was born with British citizenship (as well). Do you really believe the framers intent was to allow a dual citizen to be considered a "Natural Born Citizen?" Can you provide a definition from that time, of which the framers would have known about...describing such a scenario? There is evidence to the contrary (one example: Jay's letter writting during the convention, then the requirement showing up in their drafts)

Your saying it should be fine to have a Commander in Chief who was born with dual citizenship, divided loyalties? I can't imagine that's what the framers intended, and there is no definition for NBC from that time that affords such.

b.t.w. On the same Kenyan constitution that you cite:

"Persons retaining citizenship of United Kingdom and Colonies although becoming citizens of Kenya."

(2) Subject to subsection (6) of this section, a person shall not cease to be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies under section 2(2) of this Act if he, his father or his father's father- (a) was born in the United Kingdom or in a colony ; or (etc)

Attorney Apuzzo provides some excellent explaination on this very subject:

Wednesday, July 29, 2009
Obama, the Putative President of the U.S., Is Currently Also a British Citizen

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-president-of-us-is-currently-also_29.html
and before that

Tuesday, April 7, 2009
Obama, the President of the U.S., Is Currently Also a British Citizen
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/04/obama-president-of-us-is-currently-also_07.html

312 posted on 08/29/2009 2:41:59 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: GreenLanternCorps
In my opinion, if Obama was born on US soil then he is a natural born citizen for purposes or being President of the United States, because he had his US citizenship at birth, regardless of any other citizenships he may have been born with or held. Those citizenships have no standing under US law. They have no standing for any other purpose under US law I doubt they would for the Presidency.

Even though many have stated the "no other allengiences" as no dual citizenship. However if the "Law of Nations" definition of natural born is what was intended, then just the fact that his father was not a citizen, is enough to disqualify him.

Normally I would say that is somewhat of an injustice, since his father played no part in raising him. However his stepfather did, and he too was an alien, and raised Barry Soetero, for 4 very influential years, in not a only a foreign country, but also in a foreign religion, many of whose adherents want nothing more than to kill Americans, regardless of race or national origin.

His story, as much of it as we know, is just the sort of thing that the founders were trying to avoid with the Natural Born citizen requirement.

401 posted on 08/29/2009 8:55:27 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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