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The post to which this post is linked is ample evidence that the poster of this thread has ot a clue what Salvation nad Spiritual warfare entail for the Saved by God's Grace.

The poster is seeking to conflate and divert with misdirection, so that his 'argument' may carve out a tiny niche into which the degeneracy may be poured into the Church leadership.

Very simply put, if a sexual degenerate is fighting temptation and continues to self-identify with the degeneracy, that one is not 'in Christ Jesus'.

If this poster has not done so already (he has referred to David, so far, to conflate David/pre-Crucifixion with homosexuals supposedly fighting temptation while leading in tThe Church), the poster is fond of citing prominent televangelists who have 'sccumb to temptation'. Of course, the assumption, once pre-crucifixion David is cited, is that sinning and repenting is all too common a part of the life after Salvation.

The poster hasn't a clue of what 'a new creation' is all about, nor does the poster comprehend the contradiction of a sexual degenrate self-identifying with thier sexula degeneracy after claiming to have been washed in the Blood of Jesus.

37 posted on 08/29/2009 8:16:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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The poster is seeking to conflate and divert with misdirection, so that his 'argument' may carve out a tiny niche into which the degeneracy may be poured into the Church leadership.

Actually no. It is a plea for understanding and compassion to those individuals who are battling very hard to obey God's commandments in their lives. It is MOST DEFINITELY NOT an attempt at apologizing or supporting any sin ( heterosexual, homosexual or other ).

The very fact that they do not ACT on their temptation and do not make an excuse for their temptation by not calling what is sin, not sin, is proof of this.

Very simply put, if a sexual degenerate is fighting temptation and continues to self-identify with the degeneracy, that one is not 'in Christ Jesus'

There are those who are fighting temptation everyday. What you call self-identification, I simply call an honest acknowledgment of one's sinfulness and inadequacy before a holy God. Something Christians all ought to be doing. Why is being tempted by people of the same sex a degeneracy and being tempted by people of the opposite sex ( as most men, including church leaders are ) not called a degeneracy ? Why do you pick and choose which degeneracy is worse than the other ? Both are condemned by God.

to conflate David/pre-Crucifixion with homosexuals supposedly fighting temptation while leading in tThe Church),

The same Holy Spirit that can forgive David for his confessed iniquities, is still the same spirit that works today. You seem to think that Christ was crucified only for people on and after the New Testament and that His death does not apply to those who lived before He came.

the poster is fond of citing prominent televangelists who have 'sccumb to temptation'. Of course, the assumption, once pre-crucifixion David is cited, is that sinning and repenting is all too common a part of the life after Salvation.

Nope. We are all forgiven sinners, but practically, we still sin. We will continue to sin until our sanctification is perfected. You seem to be implying that after one is saved, one does not sin anymore. That runs counter to what scripture says.

1 John 1:8-10
"8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives."

SIN occurs in various forms ( we already know that ). Unfortunately, you want to only focus on one sin and then overlook the myriad of others that even church leaders commit either by omission or by commission as if one form of sin is more or less of an abomination to God. That will not do.
38 posted on 08/29/2009 9:14:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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