Posted on 08/26/2009 5:11:05 AM PDT by Kaslin
Well, being dead seems like a long-term effect to me.
Yep, and cancer will do that WAY more often than a vaccine will.
Flawed thinking, pal. You only die once, so cancer will not kill any one person any more often than anything else.
But a vaccine can't kill you if you don't get it (probability=zero).
Let me put it another way, since the onset of the disease is behaviourally controlled, first, and controlled by whether the person the behaviour is engaged in with has the disease, second.
Let's take a parallel. Let's say there was a vaccine for HIV/AIDS. The vaccine "only" killed 50 of every 100,000 people who got it. Would you get the vaccine? Would you support making the vaccine mandatory for premenstrual girls, prepubescent children, adults, anyone?
Huh? What does a made-up "let's say" scenario have to do with anything?
Let's say that FReeping made your arms fall off. Would you ever encourage your friends to do it??? WOULD YOU???
Pfffft.
The FACT is that Gardasil may have killed as many as 20 out of 16 MILLION. Every medication can cause death, depending on the circumstances. I don't believe these figures are out of line.
Cars kill thousands every day, yet you still drive one. There's a benefit that outweighs the risk.
It is obvious that Gardisil provides a benefit that FAR outweighs the risks involved. I will absolutely make sure my daughter is vaccinated when she's older.
Despite your diatribe, Gardasil only provides a benefit if your daughter is sexually active. IF she is at risk of catching the HPV, and that IF she engages in 'relations' with someone who has it.
The risk exists whether ot not she fulfils those conditions, if she gets the vaccine.
As for my little girl, it makes just as much sense to pay for her car insurance at the ripe old age of 9 as it does to get the vaccine.
You want your kid to be a lab rat, that is between you and her. Just don't go forcing it on others.
In case you are incapable of understanding my other post, it involves a disease which people are only at risk for if they engage in certain acts with people who have the disease. If you or yours do not fall into the risk group, you might opt out.
That was the point you missed.
Good luck, I hope your kid stays healthy whatever your choice.
My Gyno recommended the vaccine to me last year. I told him I’m married and have no plans of ever having to be with another man for the rest of my life, so no thank you. He had the audactiy to say that maybe my husband wouldn’t reciprocate my vow to him and then what would I do. I said, “I guess you could be right, however, I didn’t marry a pig.”
I found a new gyno, needless to say.
Well said.
But apparently the islamists-by-a-different-name here want their children to die for misbehavior of themselves or a future spouse.
You know, because they deserve it.
Well said. It’s hard to imagine a professional would be that crass but I guess they are out there.
Good data and a thoughtful response. Well done.
bttt
Without qualified scientific bounds and basis for the statement, that fact looks a bit like heresay to me. Absent qualified scientific bounds and basis of course.
This is not a disease issue - it's a child-abuse issue!
Prove that statement with real facts.
Not disagreeing with your point, just your numbers. The post notes that
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Thirty nine of 12,424 "adverse events" is approximately 0.3% of adverse events.
In my opinion real reporting would have put the numbers into perspective overall - for example 39 of 1 million doses is 0.004%. But that doesn't fit the mold of what is typically a liberals method of distorting, uhm, I mean reporting.
Is this how the global warming hysteria got legs...?
Where on the box, or in the commercials, or in the doctors office, does anyone state that this vaccine protects a person from a "whole host of deadly STD's"?
Just because you can't fix stupid doesn't mean that a vaccination that can help prevent a very serious medical problem is a bad choice for someone to make...
From the post, 39 deaths have been reported as "attributed" to the vaccine out of 12,424 adverse events. That percentage is ~0.3%. Considering this is a value based on the information provided in the post, how do you equate the risk of death from the vaccine (0.3% per adverse event - not total vaccinations) to an average five year death rate for cervical cancer cases of 29%?
Mostly curious how your math works out...
Actually, if it gives a false sense of security which increases the risk for more serious diseases than it IS a bad choice to make.
What I meant, however long ago that post was, is that if children as young as 10 or 12 are being exposed to HPV, those children are being sexually abused, by definition.
My math works out on the fact that this is a vaccine that is not 100% effective, and the study of long term effects of the vaccine are not known.
This vaccine “works” when it works, and it doesn’t work all the time, by mucking with a persons autoimmune system. It can take years if not decades for long term side effects to even show, let alone be properly traced back to the cause.
Lets do the math again .3% of the people who get the vaccine have dropped dead of it. Now, lets take a statistical sample of even developing cervical cancer shall we.
Every year about 4000 women die from cervical cancer, in a population of 150 Million. That means the odds of dying from cervical cancer per year are .002% in any given year.
Gardisil’s death rate over the year and a half its been around is 39, over a far smaller population.. so .3% is far larger over 1.5 years than .002% per year.
So, lets see, .3% death per 1.5 years, generally at a very young age, or .002% death rate per year on a much older population... Yea, my math holds up just fine, you might want to re-examine yours.
Back to - can't fix stupid.
Either that or gross negligence. I would have no problem with running a doctor or pharma company through the ringer which claimed in any way deliverables which create such a false sense of security.
Till then, stupid is as stupid does.
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