.....Post 10 from The Long March sums it up for me...over the last 29 years I’ve seen a lot of guys go thru detox and a lot of guys go thru AA...95% of alcoholics will die drunk...and BTW the oldest recovery group is not AA....it’s the Salvation Army...they’ll give a guy a bunk, supper and a job in the thrift store if he wants to try and help himself....if not, there’s little that can be done.
Little that can be done?
How about a stockade in Alaska? “OK, here’s are your [equipment]. If you [do your work: pick up trash, clean up campgrounds, etc.] you get something other than gruel for [breakfast, lunch, dinner].”
The REAL tragedy is that conservatives let @#$!%! “Liberals” make and interlocking set of petty rules that PREVENTS these people being put into a situation where they:
1) Are less likely to harm themselves or others, and
2) Are more likely to help themselves or others.