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Hypocrites of Tort Reform (Including George Bush, Rick Santorum)
Kraft Law ^ | Prior to August 24, 2009 | Emily Gottlieb

Posted on 08/23/2009 6:00:07 PM PDT by parsifal

In 1975, Indiana lobbyist Frank Cornelius, whose clients included the Insurance Institute of Indiana, helped secure passage of a $500,000 cap on medical malpractice awards and elimination of all damages for pain and suffering in Indiana. As he wrote in the New York Times on October 7, 1994, he now “rue[s] that accomplishment.” Beginning in 1989, Frank Cornelius experienced a series of medical catastrophes that resulted in his wheelchair confinement, respirator-assisted breathing and constant physical pain.

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While involved in posts regarding "tort reform", another freeper told me about Frank Cornelius. I googled it and came across a long list of tort reform "hypocrites" at a lawyers website. The list included George Bush, Rick Santorum, and a host of others. For those of you who enjoy Johnathan Swift, H.L. Mencken, and Mark Twain, you will get a kick out of this.

Like we say about Obama care, if its good enough for us, its good enough for the politicians. So, if tort reform is good for us, why ain't it good enough for these advocates of tort reform?

parsy, who is getting more information all the time

1 posted on 08/23/2009 6:00:07 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: parsifal

Unfortunately, the old saying is true “America has the best government that money can buy”. It does not matter which party we are talking about - they are both corrupt to the core.

The problem is how do we change this?


2 posted on 08/23/2009 6:04:20 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

Well, the first thing we do, is not give up our right to sue them.

parsy, who is still giggling about Santorum


3 posted on 08/23/2009 6:07:39 PM PDT by parsifal (Dare I mention the term common sense? Book of Vinnie - Chapter 58 Verse 1 (The Boomer Bible))
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To: parsifal

bookmark

We need tort reform! If Bush didn’t want it, and the liberals think he was stupid, we may have what we need!


4 posted on 08/23/2009 6:11:19 PM PDT by Loud Mime (1. READ Ann Coulter's "Guilty" - - - 2. barastikas = Obama's logos)
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To: parsifal

Isn’t it strange that only PUBs are hypocrites. I guess the darlings on the left have never committed a wrong that we need to know about.


5 posted on 08/23/2009 6:12:34 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: parsifal

What is pain and suffering worth?
Should a person who is injured be compensated for P&S?
Medical is clear, lost wages clear but there is pain and suffering - how much is to much, to little?


6 posted on 08/23/2009 6:13:03 PM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: parsifal
You didn't read far enough ~ since 40% of all medical malpractice cases involve "no error" or "no harm", yet juries sustain 27% of those claims (the same percentage applicable to those where there actually were malpractice "harm" or "error"), I believe the only logical conclusion is that the court system is not capable of dealing with the problem and that it's best that a stiff cap be put on awards until the lawyers figure out how to do it perfectly every single time "without error" and "without harm" to the full body of patients and medical care providers.

Regarding the issue of "hypocrisy", that's for the Moslems and the Leftwingtards to worry about.

7 posted on 08/23/2009 6:14:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NTHockey

Oh, the darlings of the left screw up all the time. On FR, we hear about them all the time. Like I said above, if Obama care is good enough for us, why ain’t it good enough for the politicians? But on tort reform, the GOP has been pulling a fast one for years. So, the real question is, how do you feel about these people selling “tort reform” for you, while they do the opposite for them?

parsy, who wants to know


8 posted on 08/23/2009 6:18:31 PM PDT by parsifal (Dare I mention the term common sense? Book of Vinnie - Chapter 58 Verse 1 (The Boomer Bible))
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To: muawiyah

Please private mail me where I mis-read, so I can review on that thread. Thx.

parsy, who doesn’t remember this


9 posted on 08/23/2009 6:20:24 PM PDT by parsifal (Dare I mention the term common sense? Book of Vinnie - Chapter 58 Verse 1 (The Boomer Bible))
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To: muawiyah

In 2001, I was a risk management officer for a Texas not-for-profit hospital company. Costs of medical malpractice litigation were threatening the viability of our organization. I became very involved with tort reform efforts and am very pleased with the results. We passed reforms which insured the right of persons injured by medical malpractice to recover ALL of their medical, lost wages and other economic damages...past AND future. We placed caps of no more than $750,000 for pain and suffering. This took the “Russian roulette” effect of taking a case to trial off the table. The result was a huge decrease in costs. Our organization took the savings and plowed them into providing improved quality of care and even more charity care. Perhaps someone on the left, other than a trial lawyer, will enlighten me on how this was a bad thing?


10 posted on 08/23/2009 6:22:48 PM PDT by liberlog
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No one on the left cares. All you have to do is look at the systems in Europe where the doctors, et al, are beneficiaries of sovereign immunity. The injured patient is considered to have been made whole with access to further "free treatment".

The Leftwingtards want America to look and act like Europe. I'd rather fry them in electric chairs than let that happen.

11 posted on 08/23/2009 6:30:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: parsifal

Last I checked, bush and santorum were not in power. we need to focus on the enemy we’re facing now—hussein.


12 posted on 08/23/2009 6:31:12 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Deagle

We change it by using the Internet to give the people a voice in our democracy.

ex animo
davidfarrar


13 posted on 08/23/2009 6:34:46 PM PDT by DavidFarrar (davidfarrar)
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Why is tort reform such an important issue for you?
To be honest, it's only relevancy to the Obamacare debate is to highlight the absurd hypocrisy of the Democrats' relation with trial lawyers. It's another line of attack at trying to bring down this bill. That's it.
To continue arguing over it, or pretend that it'll somehow backfire on the GOP doesn't make sense when the people want the entire bill killed anyway. It's not going to be included in any Obamacare bill.
Even if it is included, it'll have little or no impact on reining in medical malpractice suits (and with the gov't as the provider, there's no recourse anyway)
But if you want to continue to carry the Dems water in trying to make the GOP bad when they can't stop the bill anyway knock yourself out.
14 posted on 08/23/2009 6:35:11 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("It (Gov't) can't make you happier, healthier, wealthier, and wise" - Sarah Palin 07/26)
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Several reasons. There is a general conception that “tort reform” has to be a part of “any” health care plan, and we may get an “any” plan. The GOP is already clamoring for tort reform, including now Sarah Palin. And, even if it doesn’t get included in “any” health care reform, individual states are still battle grounds for this.

And a lot of conservatives, libertarians, republicans, still have this idea that “tort reform” is a good thing and necessary for reducing health care costs, and business costs.

Thru the U S Constitution and most state constitutions we are granted a right to a civil jury trial. That right don’t mean much, if the jury is restricted from the get go.

Imagine someone was out there day after day trying to infringe upon our right to bear arms. What if in state after state that right was slowly eroded away. One state requires registration of all firearms, including the ones grandpa left you. Another state restricts your right to buy more than one gun per month. Another requires you keep your gun(s) in a police locker unless you are going out hunting or target shooting.

What if someone said we don’t need health care reform. Just take away everybody’s guns and the murder rate will go down, and emergency room surgery for gun shot victims will go down. You know, “No health care reform without Gun Control”

Would that get you motivated? What kind of numbers would you want to go out and find? Would you look for the health care costs associated with gunshot wounds? If you found it was less than 1%, would you tell people? I would, and I am.

So as to why so much now from me, it started with one thread. Then Sarah Palin came out with her statement. Then I found the Bob Beckel one so I posted a thread. Then another thread on Sarah and Bob came out. So I got to arguing. Then I discovered the Frank Cornelius story thru another freeper, which led me to the hypocrite story, so I did a thread on it.

Overall, as Americans, we need to be able to go before 12 other Americans and tell our story, and if the big boys don’t like, tough. It’s our constitutional right.

parsy, who says this is why.


15 posted on 08/23/2009 7:06:38 PM PDT by parsifal (Dare I mention the term common sense? Book of Vinnie - Chapter 58 Verse 1 (The Boomer Bible))
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sarah palin and rick perry brought tort reform to their states and they are doing quite nicely. Real reform has to come from outside DC


16 posted on 08/23/2009 7:08:33 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Obama acted stupidly...and that's after knowing all the facts.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Citizens may not sue the Govt unless it agrees to be sued.

When we are stuck with Govt healthcare, you can bet Govt will not allow suits.


17 posted on 08/23/2009 7:09:42 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (Mainstream Media cheered: Ascension of Castro, Chavez and now Obama.)
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To: liberlog

Let me, on the right, tell you. First, the cap got lowered to $500,000. Second, the cost of health care in Texas did not decrease. It rose about 40%, the third highest rate of increase in the country. And a lot of the victims of malpractice are left out in the cold. On medicaid, where you don’t see the costs.

From your job, please tell us about the malpractice that went on.

parsy, who sincerely wants to know.


18 posted on 08/23/2009 7:10:52 PM PDT by parsifal (Dare I mention the term common sense? Book of Vinnie - Chapter 58 Verse 1 (The Boomer Bible))
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To: ari-freedom

I don’t know about Alaska. Texas ain’t doing so hot. Are you interested?

parsy, who can get you some links.


19 posted on 08/23/2009 7:12:00 PM PDT by parsifal (Dare I mention the term common sense? Book of Vinnie - Chapter 58 Verse 1 (The Boomer Bible))
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texas unemployment is 2 percentage points below the national average. Lots of people are moving to texas because it is a better opportunity


20 posted on 08/23/2009 7:17:57 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Obama acted stupidly...and that's after knowing all the facts.)
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