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To: MHGinTN
Homosexuality as a choice is evil. You can be delivered from evil.

I NEVER said homosexuality was not EVIL. I did say that there are DIFFERENT MANIFESTATIONS of evil, homosexual lust being one of them. But so is heterosexual lust.

If one is tempted but does NOT CHOOSE to give in to the temptation, one does not sin. Therefore I don't understand the one-sided condemnation of clergy who are tempted by homosexual lust and on the other hand, forgetting the clergy who are likewise tempted by heterosexual lust. Giving in to either one of them are PERSONAL CHOICES.

Is Jim Baker's adultery with a woman any less reprehensible than Ted Haggard's lying with a male prostitute ?

Both are abomination to the Lord.

That's why Jesus took upon himself a body, suffered and died, then rose again from the tomb.

Since I believe this like you do, I have no further comments regarding this statement.
44 posted on 08/22/2009 10:17:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Sadly, you do not appear to comprehend what you have been led to argue. Note the following from your reasoning:

"Is Jim Baker's adultery with a woman any less reprehensible than Ted Haggard's lying with a male prostitute?"

With this question as a foundation for trying to make claims to tolerate the degenerate so long as they are resisting temptation, you reveal the twisted nature of your own thinking! Instead of focusing upon the Deliverer, you would have us focus upon the abject failure of highly regarded, still unregenerate men who held themselves and their lusts as superior to the deliverance Jesus brings to the human soul by placing His Life int he human spirit!

Why would you try to focus the discussion on the 'contradiction inherent in Haggert's or Baker's life in opposition to their profession'? To make room for tolerating the contradiction between the sexual degenerate's profession and the reality of their living! Then, when you are called on the duplicity of such apologetics, you and others resort to conflating the unregenerate known by their actions, with the saved in Christ falling on occasion into temptation, who, when they fall, seek the throne of forgiveness.

Did you miss the lesson taught by Paul in Romans Chapter one: 1:21&22 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
1:24&25 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.

You might ask yourself: 'If God gave them up to the lusts of their hearts, were they under the law when given up or under Grace?'

The very nature of continuing to identify the self by the degeneracy which holds their heart is evidence that they are under the law not Grace.

You are alive in at least two dimensions, body and soul. The Delivered soul has a third dimension of Life, the spirit with the earnest of the inheritance within, God's Life, making such an one living under Grace rather than the law. The story of the Prodigal Son might be helpful.

While off in the pig sty, the son was under the law. When he set his mind to return to his father's jurisdiction, he walked into Grace, as evidenced by his father running to meet him on the road. Now ask yourself, 'under what regime did the son who had remained at home believe he lived?' Why undert the law of course! And he was jealous of the Grace his father extended to the Prodigal Son. But in reality, the son who remained at home could always have know the same Grace. And as a further elsson, read the book of Ruth. The story heats up when Ruth seeks grace by gleening in the harvested fields, to feed her and her mother-in-law, Naomi. It ends with Ruth and Obed living under Grace of the kinsman Redeemer, and there is no further chapter of Ruth crawling around in the fields picking up grain fallen during harvest, for she has right to the barn full of Grain, the storehouse of Grace.

46 posted on 08/22/2009 10:52:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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