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No Health Care Reform Without Legal Reform (Sarah Palin)
Facebook ^ | 8/21/09 | Sarah Palin

Posted on 08/21/2009 7:14:29 AM PDT by DogBarkTree

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To: r9etb
but you stalked us cross-thread, and you called us all 'bots.

And how is that any different from you "stalking" Palin threads to tell any and all that you don't like Palin, or Palin's not smart, or Palin can't speak, or Palin can't write, etc., etc.

If you dislike Palin so much, why wouldn't you just ignore threads about Palin and get on with your life?

121 posted on 08/21/2009 10:12:02 AM PDT by been_lurking
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To: r9etb
Sigh... the point is that she has not discovered something new. Folks have been working on, and passing legislation about, tort reform for the past 20 years. “

Woke up on the wrong side of ya bed this morning huh?
The fact that people have been “working on” tort reform for 20 years, does not in the least make tort reform any less vital, if we are to reform healthcare in this country. Doctors in this country are STILL suffering from frivolous lawsuits and something akin to terrorist tactics from ambulance chasing lawyer vermin, who have the Democratic Party in their pockets.
It's like saying we have been fighting against drugs for decades and it's nothing new, so therefore no one should talk about it, despite the serious problems with illegal drugs we have in this country.
The point is, I am yet to hear our so-called Republican Pary “leaders” like McCain, or even the RNC Chairman, Steele, come out and forcefully demand that 0bama fix tort reform before trying to fix healthcare, in this current debate, because most of the “problems” with healthcare in this country, can be traced straight to the ambulance chasing vermin that prey on everybody.
You seem to be out to be creating your own “issue” then arguing with the issue that you created yourself. For starters no one has even come close to claiming that Gov Palin invented tort reform, yet you make that up, then attack it yourself.
Sounds like you need to find some more useful way to spend your life to me, instead of arguing with stuff that you just made up.

122 posted on 08/21/2009 10:12:42 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: DogBarkTree

Outstanding. Putting the focus on tort reform is overdue.


123 posted on 08/21/2009 10:12:56 AM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: r9etb
She sees those savings as being available for other government projects.

Please re-read that passage. No where does she say the roads, schools or hospitals have to use tax payers money. These could just as well be private roads, private schools, and private hospitals.

Perhaps your bias is clouding your reading comprehension. She didn't write it, but you thought it.

124 posted on 08/21/2009 10:15:25 AM PDT by been_lurking
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To: DryFly

OK, as you pointed out California has a hugh and series additional problem, massive leeching by uninsured illegales, which is not seen to a similar extent in any other state. I think you answered the question why lawsuit reform alone is not a panacea for California. Whether it helps elsewhere is not addressed.


125 posted on 08/21/2009 10:16:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (59 million Americans joined hands and shouted, "Yes, We Can March off This Cliff!")
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To: DogBarkTree
I have wondered about this since the "Health Care Reform" topic came up. I believe the ultimate goal is Single-Payer / Socialized medicine. As soon as the Doctors work for Government, the Government is to cut-off the evil malpractice insurers. In order to do so, they are going to either mitigate or eliminate the ability to sue.

I assume the administration knows this, and this is part of the "master plan" of savings. I think this is also where they are seeing most of the savings that the CBO has not recognized in the cost estimates. The problem for the administration is they can't go public with the savings from the elimination of the MP Torts. So where do the Trial Lawyers stand on this, and what back-room deal is being worked out. Hum...
126 posted on 08/21/2009 10:17:15 AM PDT by Deek
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To: Will88

Are malpractice insurance firms good investment vehicles? The market ought to be answering the allegation that these are cash cows.


127 posted on 08/21/2009 10:22:37 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (59 million Americans joined hands and shouted, "Yes, We Can March off This Cliff!")
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To: editor-surveyor

Give me a break..

Nobody supports Mitt. He’s an idiot and a RINO to boot.


128 posted on 08/21/2009 10:23:20 AM PDT by babygene
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To: Deek

In Britain’s lovely NHS you can sue... judgments are paid from the treasury i.e. taxpayer.


129 posted on 08/21/2009 10:24:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (59 million Americans joined hands and shouted, "Yes, We Can March off This Cliff!")
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To: r9etb
That's false. Ms. Palin herself cited several instances where it did have enough traction to be enacted into law ... without her help.”

# 1. She also sited what they did in Alaska for tort reform with her help.
# 2. While we have had some successes in some states,
tort reform never got enough traction to actually stop frivolous medical malpractice lawsuits across all states in the country, nor did the successes for tort reform go far enough. The fight for tort reform is far from over.
# 3. We are right now fighting against 0bama’s nasty healthcare bill. Tort reform is one of the biggest weapons to be used against 0bamacare, because the # 1 reason why health costs are super high in this country, is because of lawyers.
# 4. The fact that others have fought for tort reform before in this country, doesn't mean Sarah Palin can't fight for tort reform at this time, when we need to fight for tort reform even harder than ever, because of the possible horrors from 0bamacare.

130 posted on 08/21/2009 10:26:43 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: DogBarkTree
Here is what Congressman John Dingell from Michigan has to say about Tort Reform: Congressman Dingell Gets an Earfull. Take a look at the video titled: Only So Much We Can Do.
131 posted on 08/21/2009 10:27:17 AM PDT by Portnoy (Visit me at www.thehipposass.blogspot.com)
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To: DogBarkTree

Great article. Sarah gets to the root of the problem in a few short paragraphs. And they say conservative Republicans are just the party of ‘no’. It’s more like the party of ‘no BS’.

We already figured this out in Texas...

Poe opposes health care bill, supports Texas tort reform at town hall meeting
http://www.setexasrecord.com/news/220600-poe-opposes-health-care-bill-supports-texas-tort-reform-at-town-hall-meeting

Congress should consider implementing Texas’ medical tort reforms on a national level, said Congressman Ted Poe at a surprisingly orderly town hall meeting on health care reform.

In contrast to his Democratic counterparts, Poe, a Republican representing the 2nd District of Texas, was received with rousing applause as he addressed around 250 Southeast Texas residents at Rogers Park in Beaumont on Thursday, Aug. 13.

“As I look out at all of you, you don’t appear to be a mob … or political terrorist,” a smiling Poe told his constituents, adding that “speaking your mind does not make you un-American.”

While the House’s proposed health care bill would only serve to create several layers of bureaucracy between patients and doctors, drive up costs and increase taxes, there is one solution, according to some political pundits, that would reduce all three problems: tort reform.

“Doctors from Massachusetts are moving to Texas because of the state’s (medical) tort reform efforts,” Poe told the Record after he finished addressing the audience. “Tort reform has driven down the price of liability insurance. Texas’ plan has been very successful … and should be (implemented) at a national level.”

Palin/Poe 2012!


132 posted on 08/21/2009 10:30:51 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Republic
Er, since there is no mention of TORT REFORM in the over ONE THOUSAND page house proposed health care debacle, I think even you might agree, with true honesty and good intent, that TORT REFORM WAS NOT ONLY IGNORED IN THE HEALTH CARE BILL, but it was TOTALLY IGNORED.

Stop shouting, son.

The reason it's not in the bill, is because the Democrats are writing the bill themselves and they're not interested in tort reform. To them, it's a GOP talking point and therefore can be ignored.

133 posted on 08/21/2009 10:31:17 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Are malpractice insurance firms good investment vehicles? The market ought to be answering the allegation that these are cash cows.

Not familiar with that insurance market. Don't know if there are companies that specialize in it, or if most large insurers that offer liability insurance would write malpractice insurance.

But the point here is that removing the settlement of malpractice cases from the court system, or limiting awards should reduce the amount of insurance doctor's have to carry, and therefore reduce the cost of providing medical services.

134 posted on 08/21/2009 10:33:10 AM PDT by Will88
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To: AFPhys

Second paragraph of that report: PWC was retained by the Insurance Industry. That’s credible.


135 posted on 08/21/2009 10:33:58 AM PDT by DryFly
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To: Will88

For the sake of the argument not dissolving into “did not!” “did too!” I would hope one aspect of the research of tort reformers would include this.


136 posted on 08/21/2009 10:41:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (59 million Americans joined hands and shouted, "Yes, We Can March off This Cliff!")
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To: SmokingJoe
# 1. She also sited what they did in Alaska for tort reform with her help.

Nope. She merely cites the law in her "own state of Alaska," but that particular law was passed in 1997.

# 2. While we have had some successes in some states, tort reform never got enough traction to actually stop frivolous medical malpractice lawsuits across all states in the country, nor did the successes for tort reform go far enough. The fight for tort reform is far from over.

And we didn't need Sarah Palin to tell us that ... in fact, George Bush made it a central part of his presidential agenda.

# 3. We are right now fighting against 0bama’s nasty healthcare bill. Tort reform is one of the biggest weapons to be used against 0bamacare, because the # 1 reason why health costs are super high in this country, is because of lawyers.

You've conflated two separate issues here, and that's a mistake.

Obama's nasty healthcare bill is indeed awful. It is horrendously irresponsible precisely because no attempt has been made to understand the causes of the problems (e.g., high cost) that it purports to be solving. It is based on ideology rather than facts, and that is why it should be opposed.

The second issue is as you say: to determine why health care costs are so very high, and to address those causes. Tort reform would certainly help to address that, but that's only a piece of a larger puzzle. Insurance itself tends to raise health care prices, in the form of increased overhead and reduction of market forces within the health care economy. This is a topic that needs to be addressed separately from any opposition to Obamacare.

# 4. The fact that others have fought for tort reform before in this country, doesn't mean Sarah Palin can't fight for tort reform at this time.

True -- and welcome aboard to her. The problem is that folks hereabouts seem to think that Sarah Palin's sudden arrival has transformed the battle; but it has not. She's late to the game, in fact.

137 posted on 08/21/2009 10:42:35 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: DogBarkTree

ping ping ping


138 posted on 08/21/2009 10:44:38 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: DryFly

That sounds like a hint by the insurance folks that they would ease up on premiums if the lawsuit issue was tamed. Having engaged a big name firm to say so, they will have egg on their face if they don’t come across.


139 posted on 08/21/2009 10:45:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (59 million Americans joined hands and shouted, "Yes, We Can March off This Cliff!")
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To: FreeReign
Several instances accomplished doesn't mean that we don't need more of it.

True, but you said it had no traction before, which is demonstrably false.

There you go again :).

Hey, I'll keep telling you the truth as many times as it takes.

140 posted on 08/21/2009 10:46:20 AM PDT by r9etb
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