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To: GodGunsGuts

“It would seem that finding unfossilized soft tissue supposedly tens to hundreds of millions of years old is becoming quite commonplace”

No it isn’t. So far it hasn’t ever happened. If you read this article, you’d have understood that they aren’t saying anything like you claim. This is just like your previous prevarications on other “soft tissue” posts.

Leave science to people who are qualified, and leave the lying to “creation science” - it’s all you folks know how to do.


25 posted on 08/19/2009 10:10:37 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer
I did some further checking, and I will agree that there is some question as to whether or not the "soft tissue" is unfossilized. Although, they are saying that the soft tissue, whether fossilized or otherwise, is so exceptionally preserved that it can be "dissected." But even if the soft tissue turns out to be fossilized, one still wonders how the squid became fossilized in the first place, and by the millions, no less. Sounds like a massive, catastrophic flood and rapid burial (and not "poisoning") to me.

Here's an electron micrograph of the connective soft tissue of the body wall of a supposed "Jurassic" squid.


31 posted on 08/19/2009 10:26:39 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: RFEngineer
So far it [soft tissue preservation] hasn’t ever happened.

Actually it has, though it certainly isn't normal. Read this amazing story from Discovery Magazine.

Other than that minor issue, I do agree with you that a 6,000-year old universe is not supported by the Bible or by the scientific facts. One can a single study or a string of studies based upon the same supposition, but when so many experiments performed by such a wide variety of people in so many scientific disciplines lead to the same results, those results cannot honestly be disputed.


38 posted on 08/19/2009 10:37:40 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: RFEngineer

==No it isn’t. So far it hasn’t ever happened.

Are you one of those people who still maintain, in the face of all the evidence, that they haven’t found dino soft-tissue?


57 posted on 08/19/2009 11:12:53 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: RFEngineer
This passage is not creation science:

Isa 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.

A few things to consider:
1. God himself that formed the earth and made it (bold statement that, tough for one of us to pull off, as we are well aware).
2. He created it not in vain (personal entity with a reason)
3. He formed it to be inhabited (he made a universe for His created entities to enjoy).
4. I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else. (bold statement that, top of any potential heap).

Try going for a drive on a winding oceanside road with the windows down. Consider the processing your organism manages that brings the joy of racing your car with the radio cranked on your favorite song. Wind in your hair, G-Forces pulling you as your car hugs the road and you push the limit of the machine you command.

He has gone great lengths to bring your existence special meaning. Stop denying His magnificence.

113 posted on 08/19/2009 12:27:26 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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To: RFEngineer; GodGunsGuts

http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2008/07/dinosaur_soft_tissuejust_bacte.php

“Tara,
This is interesting.
Now comes a further announcement by Schweitzer and others, in the prestigious journal Science, of substantial additional evidence to bolster her previous findings.7 The specimen on this occasion was a piece of fossil hadrosaur (duckbilled dinosaur) bone (Brachylophosaurus canadensis) regarded by evolutionary assumptions as being 80 million years old.

In short, the researchers found evidence of “the same fibrous matrix, transparent, flexible vessels, and preserved microstructures she had seen in the T. rex sample”.8 Only this time they went to exceptional lengths to silence critics.

Critics said that her claims, which given the millions of years perspective are indeed “extraordinary”, required extraordinary evidence. But this is a cliché; in reality, they just require evidence, and that has been amply provided. Yet the critics demanded additional protein sequencing, super-careful handling to avoid claims of contamination, and confirmation from other laboratories. So Schweitzer and her team set about doing just that when they looked at the leg bone of this hadrosaur encased in sandstone.

Extraordinary measures were taken to keep the sample away from contamination until it reached the lab. They used an even more sophisticated and newer mass spectrometer, and sent the samples to two other labs for confirmation. They reported finding not just collagen, but evidence of two additional proteins—elastin and laminin. They also found structures uncannily resembling the cells found in both blood and bone, as well as cellular basement membrane matrix. And there were, once again, hints of hemoglobin, gleaned from applying hemoglobin-specific antibodies to the structures and seeing if the antibodies would bind to them.

Some scientists are still skeptical about the hemoglobin, which is “difficult to identify with current technology”. Dr Pavel Pevzner of the University of California, was quoted as saying that if it is not a contaminant, it would be “much bigger news [than the confirmed discoveries of blood vessels and other connective tissues in] this paper.”9

Even leaving aside the hemoglobin, the Schweitzer et al paper is huge news. Pevzner had been critical of the technique used in Schweitzer’s analysis of the T. rex protein, but now he says that her new study “was ‘done the right way,’ with more stringent controls to guard against contamination”, for one thing.

There were eight collagen proteins alone discovered from the hadrosaur fossil, which revealed twice as many amino acids as the previous tyrannosaur specimen. These were compared with sequences from animals living today as well as from mastodon fossils and her T. rex sequences. The hadrosaur and tyrannosaur collagens were closer to each other than the others, and each were closer to chickens and ostriches than to crocodilians, for instance—results which would also confirm her previous identification of T. rex collagen.

The samples were identified as collagen by both sophisticated mass spectroscopy and antibody-binding techniques. They were also examined via both light and electron microscopy, which confirmed that they had the appearance of collagen as well.

As Schweitzer says, “These data not only build upon what we got from the T. rex, they take the research even further.”

Pretty amazing. I hope that I am not considered a “creationists troll”. Oh well, I have been called much worse,

Tom Severson

Posted by: Tom Severson | June 10, 2009 12:20 PM


264 posted on 08/20/2009 8:09:16 PM PDT by Pelham (California, formerly part of the USA)
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