The Hidden Reality of Abortion -- Empowering Men

AlbertMohler.com ^ | August 17, 2009 | Albert Mohler

[WestwardHo]

We signed our own death warrant (”Government Health Care”) when we legalized abortion.

[Vanders9]

Very interesting argument. Thank you for posting.

[workerbee]

As he explains, the post-Roe expectation is that a woman now has less justification for refusing the sexual advances of a male. By and large, abortion has liberated men from the fear of parenthood, if not of pregnancy. Beyond this, if the woman with whom they are having sex becomes pregnant, the availability of abortion serves, in the mind of men, to reduce if not to remove their responsibility for fatherhood.

The availability of abortion means, in the thinking of many men, that the entire responsibility for pregnancy and parenthood now falls to women. If a woman refuses to have an abortion, having the baby is simply her "choice." As Stith realizes, this gives many men even more leverage as they demand an abortion as the cost of continuing the relationship.

I aruged these same points years ago during a college debate. It amazed me that so few women understood this reality.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Yes, I’ve been saying this for years. Not that anyone listens.

[brytlea]

I have thought along those lines for years.

[heartwood]

There’s a men’s rights movement arguing for financial abortions - i.e. a man can opt out of child support during the pregnancy.

Some of them simply want to play for free; some of them are anti-abortion and want to confront the feminists with the logical consequences of the abortion right.

[MrB]

The entire feminist movement is in response to what women see men “getting away with” that they “can’t”.

Instead of requiring men to NOT act like pigs,
the women want to behave in the same way.

[Centurion2000]

As Stith realizes, this gives many men even more leverage as they demand an abortion as the cost of continuing the relationship.

What kind of piece of crap man demands a woman abort in order to continue being with them? Even worse, what kind of woman gives into this emotional extortion?

[JWinNC]

As usual, Dr. Mohler is spot on.

jw

[z3n]

Wow... never accept how people frame an argument. This is is a ridiculous premise:

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"America's long war over abortion has classically been defined as a struggle between competing rights -- depicted as the right of a woman to have an abortion versus the right of an unborn child to the protection of life. This long-familiar framing of the issue suggests, at the very least, that the rights of women and their unborn children are, or at least they can be, presented as an irresolvable conflict.

From the very beginning, this has been an unsatisfactory approach to the abortion controversy. Those who contend for the sanctity of human life at every stage of development are, by virtue of moral necessity, also concerned with the health, welfare, and well-being of women. The reduction of the abortion question to a matter of "rights" is itself a symptom of our moral confusion."
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At least one part is right.
Reduction of abortion to a matter (of conflict) between rights is a moral confusion.
However, even trying to compare someone's right to live with someone's right to kill is not confusing at all. When you try to confuse the issue by putting the two on some sort of spectrum of rights, you have obviously re-framed the argument in a way that allows you ground to argue on, with the obvious symptom of marginalizing what most people would instinctively call an absolute.

[CMoran325]

One quibble — using the word “feminist” to describe women in favor of abortion rights. Only “radical feminists” support abortion.

The founding foremothers of feminism — Susan B. Anthony and every single one of her peers — were against abortion, for the reasons outlined in this article.

There is a place for those who agree with the “traditional feminists” that abortion has done nothing to advance the freedom and equality of women in this country.

Actually there are a few places:

www.feministsforlife.org

www.sba-list.org (The Susan B. Anthony List — an answer to Emily’s List)

www.teamsarah.org (Supporters of Sarah Palin)

These organizations are all really making an impact in the abortion debate. Check them out.

[MrB]

The answers to your questions:

1) Liberal men who are liberal in order to not be responsible for their behaviors.
2) Liberal/feminist women who buy into the lies of leftist feminism.

[11th Commandment]

The human thinking behind Abortion Liberation, now proven to be bunk, reminds me of this passage:

Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man...

Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie...

[afraidfortherepublic]

By and large, abortion has liberated men from the fear of parenthood, if not of pregnancy. Beyond this, if the woman with whom they are having sex becomes pregnant, the availability of abortion serves, in the mind of men, to reduce if not to remove their responsibility for fatherhood.

Absolutely. These so-called "feminists" are turning over total control of their bodies to any man with whom they choose to keep company. I'm amazed that this hasn't been explored in the sociological literature before.

[CMoran325]

Obviously, conservatives weren’t the ones who framed it in this manner.

The radical feminists had to come up with *something* in order to switch the debate. The fallacy that it somehow empowers women, that it is a “necessary evil” in order for women to have “control” — all of it is a joke.

But we have to help the masses “un-learn” what they have been brain-washed into believing. That fact that groups like Feminists for Life can point to all the original feminists opposition to abortion, and can debunk the fallacies — that throws their arguments out the window, and we can get back to the proper page.

Namely, that the right to life is pre-eminent.

[afraidfortherepublic]

What kind of piece of crap man demands a woman abort in order to continue being with them? Even worse, what kind of woman gives into this emotional extortion?

A lot of them.

[Albion Wilde]

... the availability of abortion has served to liberate irresponsible men from duty, morality, and responsibility.

Amen and ping.

[kabumpo]

I don’t know why stupid women don’t see that ost abortions are done at the instigation of a man who wants to shirk responsibility. The fact that abortion is legal and available on demand gives the man a sense of entitlement to ask for (and pressure for) abortion — no stigma no shame. Stupid “liberated” women comply.

[kabumpo]

Amny, many people. At that moment, when the man is rejecting the child, most women don’t want to walk out on him and deal with having the baby on their own. Especially if they are married.