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To: nathanbedford
Obama is a Liar and it is impossible for him to speak the truth.

The Medicare program cost the taxpayers in 2009 $ 408 BILLIONS. There are 43 million people on Medicare which means each person cost $ 9,488 per year.

Now if we have 46 million new people in this new socialized medicine program and let us assume each will cost $ 9,488 a year then the cost of this new socialized medicine, Medicare not counted, is approximately $ 436 BILLION a year.

Now the Liar said that he is going to cut waste by 2/3 i.e. each person is going to cost $ 3,150 a year instead of $ 9,488 which mean they are going to receive the worst quality care because this means that doctors and hospitals will be paid much less and hence very bad service and quality health care. Even with this super bad quality and service health care i.e. $ 3,150 per person per year, the new socialized medicine program will still cost the $ 145 BILLIONS a year.

In other words no matter what the LIAR says the tax payers are going to pay at least $ 145 BILLIONS a year in new taxes to cover the new socialized medicine program. But knowing the government super waste the number in reality is at least $ 300 BILLION a year in new taxes to pay for this new socialized medicine program.

Do you want to get more scared? Imagine 300 million people are now forced to be on socialized medicine which will eventually happen if we allow this bill to pass. In this case the tax payers will pay as a minimum $ 945 BILLIONS a year in new taxes and more realistically $ 2 TRILLIONS a year in new taxes.

568 posted on 08/14/2009 8:19:20 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: jveritas
I agree entirely with your analysis including the really chilling last paragraph.

I do have a caveat, however. I do not think you can extrapolate the same costs for the 46 million uninsured that you get by averaging the cost of the 43 million on Medicare. The latter group are by definition the elderly and the former group comprised about a third or the quarter in the 18 to 30 year old bracket who are much cheaper to cover. Otherwise I agree with you.

My original question was, is there any justification whatsoever for Obama claiming that they can wring two thirds of the cost out of price tag for putting 46 billion people on the insurance rolls? I noted during his town hall meeting today he did not reiterate that the Congressional Budget Office had confirmed this projection although he did indicate, very unconvincingly, the savings could be had by coordinating test needs and the like. Not a word, of course, about the unnecessary tests generated out of fear of negligence actions in the absence of tort reform. No word about buying insurance across state lines. Not a word about how to pay for the increased cost of insurance if pre-existing conditions are mandated to be covered. Only generalities. It is interesting that he conceded on the private option that if the government enjoyed competitive advantages it would indeed drive private carriers out of the market. He cited, for example, the government's ability to get cheap capital. But what about the government's employees? The health costs of those employees? Their pensions? It is simply impossible to set up a government agency on an even playing field with private enterprise; it must either require subsidies like the post office, or be utterly incompetent and corrupt like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Anyway, it is interesting that the president made that concession and it should be exploited by opponents.

I thought Obama was most effective in his closing argument that healthcare is ultimately bankrupted the treasury. He is right. The problem is that Medicare is a federal program a program which has no money in the till because the politicians cleaned out the drawer. Moreover, he touts Medicare as such a wonderful program that everybody loves, but not a word about the fact that the demographics have been running in favor of Medicare but those demographics are now turning as the boomers gray. So Medicare is a boogie man when he wants to cite the need to reform, and Medicare is wonderful when he wants to cite the need to reform his way.

I suspect fewer people watched this performance today and I suspect that each succeeding performance will have less and less impact on the debate.


595 posted on 08/15/2009 4:40:23 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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