Posted on 08/14/2009 7:03:46 AM PDT by ianschwartz
"With regards to the first comment about being forced to buy healthcare…the bill does not force people to change their healthcare plan," Rep. Rick Larsen (D-WA) said in response to a question about whether the health bill would nationalize healthcare. "Folks will say that's not true, but I've got facts on my side, and you've got Glenn Beck on your side," Larsen quipped.
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Sick, twisted freeks.
He will soon regret this statement ;-)
I stopped at “courteous”.
The Health Care Bill: What HR 3200, ‘‘America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009,” Says John David Lewis
http://www.classicalideals.com/HR3200.htm
August 6, 2009
4. Will the PLAN destroy private health insurance?
Here is what it requires, for businesses with payrolls greater than $400,000 per year. (The bill uses “contribution” to refer to mandatory payments to the government plan.) Pages 149-150, SEC. 313, EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTIONS IN LIEU OF COVERAGE
(a) IN GENERAL.—A contribution is made in accordance with this section with respect to an employee if such contribution is equal to an amount equal to 8 percent of the average wages paid by the employer during the period of enrollment (determined by taking into account all employees of the employer and in such manner as the Commissioner provides, including rules providing for the appropriate aggregation of related employers). Any such contribution—
(1) shall be paid to the Health Choices Commissioner for deposit into the Health Insurance Exchange Trust Fund, and
(2) shall not be applied against the premium of the employee under the Exchange-participating health benefits plan in which the employee is enrolled.
(The bill then includes a sliding scale of payments for business with less than $400,000 in annual payroll.)
The Bill also reserves, for the government, the power to determine an acceptable benefits plan: page 24, SEC. 115. ENSURING ADEQUACY OF PROVIDER NETWORKS.
5 (a) IN GENERAL.—A qualified health benefits plan that uses a provider network for items and services shall meet such standards respecting provider networks as the Commissioner may establish to assure the adequacy of such networks in ensuring enrollee access to such items and services and transparency in the cost-sharing differentials between in-network coverage and out-of-network coverage.
EVALUATION OF THE PASSAGES:
1. The bill does not prohibit a person from buying private insurance.
2. Small businesses—with say 8-10 employees—will either have to provide insurance to federal standards, or pay an 8% payroll tax. Business costs for health care are higher than this, especially considering administrative costs. Any competitive business that tries to stay with a private plan will face a payroll disadvantage against competitors who go with the government “option.”
3. The pressure for business owners to terminate the private plans will be enormous.
4. With employers ending plans, millions of Americans will lose their private coverage, and fewer companies will offer it.
5. The Commissioner (meaning, always, the bureaucrats) will determine whether a particular network of physicians, hospitals and insurance is acceptable.
6. With private insurance starved, many people enrolled in the government “option” will have no place else to go.
arrogant busterd.
It matters little what’s in the power-grab bills, House, Senate or conference (they have plausible deniability if they don’t tell you which one they’re referring to). Once in place, they can have it mean whaterver they need it to mean.
On the Youtube clip of Mr. Larson, I commented that quite the OPPOSITE is true. In fact, Mr. Larson had NO facts to offer -only his opinion “it will not force people to change plans...” AND then he topped it off with the insult regarding Glenn Beck.
Other folks blasted me asking for OUR facts. I gave them, page and section, asking them to respond with THEIR facts of the bill.
I have gotten no reply.
They KNOW they’re stiffed.
I’m starting to return to my “tin foil belief” that there’s a shadow government. These people have never read these bills. Someone tells them what to say is in them and how to vote.
Glenn Beck has read the bill. Prick Larson hasn’t read the bill.
IVORY TOWER ANARCHY
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We also can read, are connected to the Internet, and can access the current text of all the bills through the Library of Congress Thomas website, and the House and Senate committee websites. As I said, we can read. Twenty years ago, you might have been able to hide and lie about what you’re up to, but now you can’t, you arrogant twerp.
who has a vested interest to lie to the people to keep his job, Beck or Larsen?
Who is proving more correct on predictions that porkulous was not a stimulus but a .... porkulous?
(crickets)
Facts? One thing we all know is that facts mean nothing to politicians. Just like truth, honesty, and promises. They’re all just words politicians play with and rarely honor.
So I’ll take Beck over a politician’s “fact” any day.
Make sure that whatever bill appears, that in it, in plain language, it states that members of congress will NOT be exempt from it. They must take the health care plan they foist upon us. If it is not good enough for the rats in congress, it is not good enough for the American people.
WHO believes these marxist populists running America (trying) will tolerate private insurance that allows “rich folk” to get better medical care because they can buy it privately?
WE is all supposed to get “equal” care. That’s what redistribution is about. HR3200 even contains provisions for special regulations to ensure minorities get their share of pie.
The other thing that Rep. Rick Larsen (D-WA) has is his slave masters in Washington telling him how he is going to vote, or else.
Hopefully he will not be in Washington much longer.
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