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To: Dutchboy88; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; P-Marlowe; wmfights; annalex
I wasn’t aware that being pro-life had to include an agreement to avoid discussions/debates over the surrounding issues. My sense is that you don’t wish to discuss any of these and that is fine.

Then you are mistaken. I simply don't see the need to make everything a Catholic vs. non-Catholic issue.

Many Catholics are pro-abortion, so are many Baptists, Calvinists, and other Protestants. The FACT is that the Catholic Church has ALWAYS been pro-life (despite the heretical views of some priests), many Protestant denominations (including many with Calvinist roots) CANNOT say this.

If you really want to have this debate, start your own thread, this one had NOTHING to do with the Catholic Church, YOU decided to bring that issue up. When my dear FRiend xzins posts a pro-life thread I wouldn't dream of going on the thread and trying to bring Methodism into it when the thread has nothing to do with the Methodists, there would be no reason to.

But, in answer to your previous query, I don't think any of us know for an absolute certainty what happens to an aborted baby because I am unaware of any Scripture that directly addresses the state of an aborted baby. Obviously the dead cannot be baptized. Then again, without birth it is impossible to be born into sin. Do I believe the 50 million American babies who have been murdered in the last 36 years are in Heaven? ABSOLUTELY.

35 posted on 08/13/2009 5:04:43 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Then again, without birth it is impossible to be born into sin.

Scripture says something else...

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Jeremiah 1: 4 The word of the LORD came to me, saying,

5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

6 "Ah, Sovereign LORD," I said, "I do not know how to speak; I am only a child."

*** ***

Hosea 12: 2 The LORD has a charge to bring against Judah;
he will punish Jacob according to his ways
and repay him according to his deeds.

3 In the womb he grasped his brother's heel;
as a man he struggled with God.

4 He struggled with the angel and overcame him;
he wept and begged for his favor.
He found him at Bethel
and talked with him there-

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John 3: 16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son

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John 4: 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

*** ***

We are all made in the image of God. God is a Spirit. Ergo, God is not concerned with the flesh! He knows we cannot stand faultless before Him.

God knows our spirits from the womb. There is nothing in Scripture that says all go to Heaven. It actually says the opposite.

He is risen...

36 posted on 08/13/2009 5:31:03 AM PDT by WVKayaker (God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it.-D.Webster)
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To: wagglebee

Tap the brakes. You really are not the arbiter of whether I am mistaken. And, if you don’t see a “need”, then don’t do it. But, until threads are given such limitations, the rest of us will post as we think is appropriate.

And, it did have something to do with the Catholic Church because there was a link to Catholics United.

Further, it is interesting that there exists a compulsion to deliver a treatise on the salvation of the unborn, all the while making sure that we understand a response is not appropriate. Hmmm.


44 posted on 08/13/2009 7:13:21 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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