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FWIW, the abortion issue is as much a result of weak kneed pastors and priests as it is Christians not living for Jesus. By this I mean the lack of church discipline and Christians not holding brothers and sisters accountable. If our clergy promoted discipline and we supported it there would be a lot less of this evil. Instead we talk a good game, but we don't do what needs to be done.

IOW, throw the politicians & judges that support these policies out of the churches.

I couldn't agree more. My biggest gripe with Catholic bishops is their reluctance to publicly excommunicate pro-abortion Catholic politicians. If they were to excommunicate Sebelius, Pelosi, Biden and others it would be a real wake up call to everyone else.

Catholic excommunication DOES NOT need to be permanent, all that would be necessary is repentance on the part of those who have been excommunicated. I believe that the GREATEST disservice any clergyman can do is to turn a blind eye to the sins of their congregants.

Catholic excommunication DOES NOT need to be permanent, all that would be necessary is repentance on the part of those who have been excommunicated.

That is the essence of church discipline in any Evangelical church. Once the Christian repents they are welcome. If this path was followed it would become real clear, real quick, that everyone must decide where they want to stand. Our churches might have smaller numbers and less influence over the whole society but there would be no question that their members were bringing light to the world.