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Long article, but the author makes some very salient points ... particularly that we shouldn't be 'fixing' something until we truly understand it.
1 posted on 08/12/2009 10:46:26 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

The current healthcare system sucks, but it is still MUCH better than Canadian/Euro style socialized medicine, which is evil.

I miss the pre-insurance days when we went to the Dr. and then paid him. Gee, what a concept.


2 posted on 08/12/2009 10:55:03 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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Obamacare will do solve the problem of infections picked up in hospitals. It will probably make them even more common.


3 posted on 08/12/2009 11:00:08 AM PDT by La Lydia
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Our healthcare system does have flaws, LARGELY due to lawyers and insurance companies.

The benchmark still remains - MORE people come to AMERICA for their healthcare, than go to Canada, the UK, Cuba or anywhere else for healthcare.


5 posted on 08/12/2009 11:04:34 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Saving what we have is idiotic. Private insurance has demonstrated over and over its not up to the job. They may win this debate again with their army of useful idiots but at some point in the future they will lose as the American people have already lost under the current system.
6 posted on 08/12/2009 11:09:20 AM PDT by montanajoe
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Interesting read. A democrat I could sit down with over a brewski or two and have a meaningful meeting of the minds.


7 posted on 08/12/2009 11:11:00 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Why Does Obama Want Health Care in 4 Weeks When it Took Him 6 Months to Pick a Dog?)
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Best damn single article on the problem I have ever read.

It hits all the salient points. I can’t believe The Atlantic printed it.


8 posted on 08/12/2009 11:11:30 AM PDT by sinanju
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This guy’s proposed solution is pretty close to mine. Cat insurance and MSAs. I would have different aspects around those two components - but IMO the only way to get control of the situation is to take that approach. But that cuts government AND the insurance companies out of controlling the system.


9 posted on 08/12/2009 11:13:25 AM PDT by dirtboy
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Health care is not a one-size fits all business. Good health care is as individual as each and every person who requires it. It is also sought for as many reasons as there are those who seek it — the advanced age person who is in the final stages of a life threatening disease (not necessarily cancer, as it metastasizes more slowly the older the victim is [I actually had a grandmother who outlived skin cancers on her body]), but there are those who seek to delay the inevitable at any cost. I, for one, do not see the good judgment in doing orthopedic surgery on those who are about to succumb to a disease with a more urgent timetable, but there are others who must accomplish something before it happens and it is, therefore, incumbent upon health care to do what it can. Those who will suffer under government-mandated procedures and insurance profitability guidelines will always be those who need it the most. The rest of us will carry on without a thought to it, paying premiums and enjoying very little benefit — UNTIL we require it ourselves. The federal government approach is destined to fail as it cannot, by its very nature, be responsive to the needs of the individual. That’s the bottom line, folks.


10 posted on 08/12/2009 11:14:04 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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12 posted on 08/12/2009 11:15:12 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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"Like every grieving family member, I looked for someone to blame for my father’s death. But... his hospital physicians were smart, thoughtful, and hard-working.... his nurses were dedicated and compassionate. Nor from financial limitations... the issue of expense was never once raised. There were no greedy pharmaceutical companies, evil health insurers, or other popular villains in his particular tragedy.

I suspect that our collective search for villains—for someone to blame—has distracted us and our political leaders from addressing the fundamental causes of our nation’s health-care crisis."


He was doing fine until the "our collective search" and "has distracted us" parts. Clearly, the Democrats are doing all they can to rush a political overthrow of free enterprise hidden under a gauze of medical necessity.

13 posted on 08/12/2009 11:16:55 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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Sigh. One of the things we need to get back to is the rules that Lister came up with in the beginning of the “antiseptic era”. Hospitals that look like hospitals not hotels ( a lot of this is patient driven they don’t LIKE that “sterile” atmosphere). That means painter walls, tile floors, plastic or stainless steel surfaces, no carpeting, drapes, paintings etc. Surfaces that can be steamed or scrubbed CLEAN. Nurses and doctors wearing white uniforms, bed linen that cam be cleaned at high temperature or steamed. An obsession with cleanliness. It worked before, it can work again.


16 posted on 08/12/2009 11:22:35 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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"Society’s excess cost from health insurance’s administrative expense pales next to the damage caused by 'moral hazard'—the tendency we all have to change our behavior, becoming spendthrifts and otherwise taking less care with our decisions, when someone else is covering the costs. ...[H]ospitals, drug companies, health insurers, and medical-device manufacturers now spend roughly $6 billion a year on advertising. If the demand for health care is purely a response to unavoidable medical need, why do these companies do so much advertising?"
17 posted on 08/12/2009 11:24:12 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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To paraphrase Winston Churchill, the only thing worse would be more government involvement.


20 posted on 08/12/2009 11:27:41 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior (Metrosexual hairless RINOs for hopey-changey bipartisan-ness)
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"Perhaps the greatest problem posed by our health-insurance-driven regime is the sense it creates that someone else is actually paying for most of our health care—and that the costs of new benefits can also be borne by someone else. Unfortunately, there is no one else.

[L]et’s imagine confiscating all the profits of all the famously greedy health-insurance companies. That would pay for four days of health care for all Americans. Let’s add in the profits of the 10 biggest rapacious U.S. drug companies. Another 7 days. Indeed, confiscating all the profits of all American companies, in every industry, wouldn’t cover even five months of our health-care expenses.

Somebody else always seems to be paying for at least part of our health care. But that’s just an illusion."

21 posted on 08/12/2009 11:29:49 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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My daughter was prescribed an antibiotic yesterday, two pills a day, for 10 days. The insurance company refused to pay for more than six pills in 22 days...


22 posted on 08/12/2009 11:33:13 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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I think Goldhill nailed it.

For years I’ve been screeching to anyone who can bear to listen how the doctor’s office is the only business I patronize that asks me for payment BEFORE I get the product or service and CAN’T OR WON’T TELL ME HOW MUCH THE PRODUCT OR SERVICE COSTS. They’ll tell me my co-pay ( and get that wrong half the time ), but I cannot find out how much an office visit costs.


23 posted on 08/12/2009 11:35:46 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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Sorry, I didn't get much further than the first five graphs.

The hospital his father died in has an obvious problem -- so rail against that hospital, not against the system.

As someone who's been caregiver to two family members in their final days, and who now has a sibling undergoing chemo for a rare form of lukemia -- a treatment, due to age, that most likely won't be covered under the health care bill -- all I can say is that every patient needs an advocate. If the conditions, the service, the sanitary conditions in a hospital or by hospice at-home services are sub-standard, make a stink! Do something! Spend some money to get the patient out of sub-standard conditions. But, of all things, don't sit back on your heels and watch someone die, then bemoan the situation you did nothing to fight when it would have mattered.

The idea the government can improve on any of these sub-standard situations is ludicrous. Just go and sit in any inner-city clinic that services Medicare and Medicaid patients for hours on end, and get a clue -- this is what government-run health care will get you, and once implemented, advocacy of family or friends will be unheard and ignored by the bureaucrats.

One more thought -- read the House health care bill. The emphasis, over and over again, is on cost and efficiency, not quality. And this is only the framework from which the actual nuts and bolts of national health care will be written, in private, by a non-elected commission making life and death decisions for us all.

25 posted on 08/12/2009 11:39:12 AM PDT by browardchad
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"Our system of health-care law and regulation has so distorted the functioning of the market that it’s impossible to measure the social costs and benefits of maintaining hospitals’ prominence. And again, the distortions caused by a reluctance to pay directly for health care—in this case, emergency medicine for the poor—are in large part to blame."

So he's saying, if I understand him, that having a free-market for most of us, and for governments to directly pay hospitals for care of the indigent -- fraud and the costs of fraud containment notwithstanding -- would be cheaper and better for most of our society.

39 posted on 08/12/2009 12:13:20 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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"But my father was not the customer; Medicare was. And although Medicare has experimented with new reimbursement approaches to drive better results, no centralized reimbursement system can be supple enough to address the many variables affecting the patient experience. Certainly, Medicare wasn’t paying for the quality of service during my dad’s hospital stay.... [B]ecause my dad got sepsis in the hospital, and had to spend weeks there before his death, the hospital was able to charge a lot more for his care than if it had successfully treated his pneumonia and sent him home in days."
41 posted on 08/12/2009 12:23:42 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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"The Limits of 'Comprehensive' Health-care Reform: A wasteful insurance system; distorted incentives; a bias toward treatment; moral hazard; hidden costs and a lack of transparency; curbed competition; service to the wrong customer. These are the problems at the foundation of our health-care system... requiring more and more money just to keep the system from collapsing.

"How would the health-care reform that’s now taking shape solve these core problems? The Obama administration and Congress are still working out the details, but it looks like this generation of 'comprehensive' reform will not address the underlying issues.... Instead it will put yet more patches on the walls of an edifice that is fundamentally unsound—and then build that edifice higher."

42 posted on 08/12/2009 12:36:57 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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