Posted on 08/11/2009 7:34:48 AM PDT by neverdem
‘and as the U.S. Supreme Court definitively ruled in District of Columbia v Heller — the American people have the right to keep and bear arms.’
Orwell.
Heller took away ‘rights’.
“Heller took away ‘rights’.”
how so
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One reason for this is because "Bobby" Rush is the one and only sponsor of this piece fof crap.
Even Nancy Pelosi isn't stupid enough to have her name associated with it.
I think we should stay alert to make sure HR45 continues to go no where, but also not allow ourselves to be so distracted by it that some other draconian anti-gun measure is slipped into an otherwise unrelated bill and passed in the dead of night.
The founders would be SHOCKED to find that debates and legal arguments abound concerning the 2nd amendment. It was written to be read and understood by the simplest, least well-educated of citizens. The meaning of the amendment is crystal clear. That is what the founders intended. The left has prostituted that meaning over the past several decades because armed Americans pose the greatest threat to the leftest agenda. It is impossible to completely enslave an armed public. Dictators have recognized this fact for a very long time. So the Holy Grail of the left is the disarming of the American people. It is just that simple. And that is why the 2nd amendment must NEVER be overturned, either by direct or indirect means.
I’d like to know how that is as well...
Please enumerate what “we” lost in that ruling???
Although we can expect this sort of thing to resurface pretty regularly in State and Federal legislative bodies, at the moment it does not appear that we need to get our feathers all aruffle over it...
this time.
Even many of the more “progressive” Congresscritters are a little gun shy about stepping on the 2nd Amendment, after what happened to Clinton’s House majority back in ‘84 (i think it was).
According to SNOPES
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp
The bill has NO co-sponsors and is probably not going anywhere any time soon.
We still need to keep an eye on the rascals though; chances are the next anti gun attack will come as a secretive amendment or tucked into an unrelated mega-bill that is foisted on the Congress as some great “emergency” that no one has a chance to actually read before being coerced into signing into law.
That seems to be the M.O. du jour in this ruling organized criminal syndicate sometimes referred to as an “Administration”.
Does this sound like you have a right?
‘”[l]ike most rights, the Second Amendment is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”’
-Thanks Gov’t. It’s not you to decide what a ‘right’ is to be used for. If I want to use a pistol as a pillow I should be able to. The same is to be said of ‘speech’; they can limit what I say on my property. Keep in mind Heller was on private property.
‘The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast
doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by
felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms
in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or
laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of
arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those
“in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition
of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
Pp. 54–56.’
-Joy. What is a ‘sensitive place’? Does that also limit speech and other rights? No more ‘birthers’ at Town Halls?
-It should not be against the law to have a weapon of any matter. The actual breaking of the law would be me using the weapon to harm someone, we already have laws against that.
#9
The answer to your question in #9 is obvious...No we do not have a right according to the government...
An inalienable right is a right that is granted by a higher authority than any government instituted amoung men...
Therefore, it is going to be very difficult to enforce, or implement any draconian infringement (pick one, I know we all have a bunch of them up our sleeves) without serious widespread and individual dissagreements we WILL have if it ever came to that...
The question I ask everyone is what I already know I am prepared to do...
“What are you prepared to do about it, and what are you willing to sacrifice for it?”
It is the ultimate gut-check, and it is a personal one, and I do not want anyone to believe they need to publically reveal to anyone, anywhere...
Most of us already know what the answer is...
And I intend to not pull out the rest of my hair about it...
Yes, we do need to stay informed, and stay in the fight legislatively on this, and when the time comes, election day is the most powerful tool we have at our disposal right now to effect the adjustments we need to make happen at that point...
Don't bet on that! She was told not to support gun bans by her handlers - its a losing issue right now.
What part of "shall not be infringed" does the loony left not understand?
Still in committee, no cosponsors. This bill has been languishing, waiting for the the right crisis.
I wish folks would do some research before sending out these alarmist emails and editorials. The Rats aren’t dumb enough to put this ball into play yet. They’re already fighting the health care debacle. If they put this out there, they would see riots on an order that make LA look like a day in the sandbox.
HR 45, as well as a semi-auto firearm and sniper rifle ban, ammo stamping and taxes, and other gun control, will be amended to some other bill. Hmmm, I can’t think of a good one... Oh yea, they could amend it to the Healthcare bill! If the Dims feel that they are going to go down over it, they could amend the Healthcare bill to contain these gun restrictions and even alien amnesty!
You must be kidding.
Dead bill, introduced by someone who is arguably a certifiable psycho. It’s going nowhere, and everyone in congress who isn’t on thorazine knows it.
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Thanks for the ping!
Until they are ready for it to come out. We've seen that sometimes they can bring things out of committee and final passage, very quickly.
Bears watching at least.
It was, but the statement you quoted was in "dicta" and formed no part of the reasoning behind the ruling. They ruled, unabigously, that the second amendment protects an individual right, independent of membership in any militia, organized or not. That was a big step forward. They also ruled that DC's prohibitions on what you could do on your property with your own weapons were unconstitutional. Heller did not, unfortunately ask that their licensing/registration scheme be overturned, I think they would have done that if he had. The part you quoted was to sooth the feathers of the anti-gunners, but really didn't mean anything. No right is unlimited in it's exercise. "fire in the theater", libel/slander, and assault with a deadly weapon are all limits on the exercise of rights.
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