Thank you Mr. Fleckstein for digging thru Resident Obama’s tyrannical scam.
When you die, do they repossess the medical device? Save money, reuse it, it’s a rental.
One of the charges the left has against the right is that we are spreading dis-information about the bill.
Is there any way we could boil these summaries down to the most critical points, eliminate some of the repetition, and quote straight from the bill?
I could really use this info for a video i’m doing.
i.e. page 10, line 6: “actual text”, followed by summary (translation)
Ping.
be afraid. be very afraid. then be angry. then act.
Socialism, the new ‘N’ word (for Nincompoops).
Worse than I thought, and I’m really cynical.
The plan or the people. It can’t be both.
Whoever dares to float this bill is either insane, evil, or both.
How long before we can get the Dictator and his minions the hell out of the White House?
The NHS Corps is a program where Drs. perform mandatory HC for 2yrs for part loan repayment
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Yep. Welcome to ‘City Year’.
Government this, government that.
Soviet style heath care here were come!
Won’t y’all feel so secure, warm and fuzzy as you are wheeled into the operating room knowing a well trained (according to democrat government standards anyways)graduate “doctor” will be performing his very first “solo” operation on you?
Of course, don’t expect near invisible scars afterwards, government cost control will mandate that stitching be no more than 2 per inch to save on the cost of suture materials, cheaper steri-strip tape will be adequate to close the gaps, saving the government about 1 million per year. (the cost study which resulted in the implementing of this cast saving measure cost 33 million, and took a year, but that is a different departments budget).
And make sure a family member brings you something to serve as crutches when you are released. Crutches supplied while in the hospital stay in the hospital. Go buy your own.
I am not familiar with this man so I tried a google, up poped the Dummies who are ripping this man a new one. of course they do so simply because he is against them.
Does anyone have additional info or comments on him?
Hey guys!
I’m 100% AGAINST this bill.....but!
Let’s maintain our credibility.
I see references to coverage for illegal immigrants in the summaries here.
Yet, in the bill itself I find:
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
4 ALIENS.
5 Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments
6 for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
7 not lawfully present in the United States.
So, unless somebody can explain the difference, I’m inclined to be skeptical of these summaries.
What I’d like the most is an analysis where the bill text is interleaved with commentary.
ABC national news tonight took a “close look” at the end-of-life counseling part of the bill. They indicated that the counseling is harmless, voluntary, etc.
As I see it, the counseling is not what we need to worry about. The rules themselves, which counselors must adhere to, is where the problems will lie. Perhaps the legislation now says that specific rules will be concocted as time goes on.
I’m skeptical that interpretations mentioned or reference on this board are biased toward opposing the legislation. That’s why bill text interleaved with commentary will help me.
In case you’re wondering, though my knowledge of the bill is limited, I hate it and also that conceited, dishonest, socialist Obama.
Nevertheless I seek the truth.
I am strongly against government control of most things. This Health Care/Insurance Reform is just a power grab. I have read plenty in the House legislation that makes me want to hurl. Having said that, I think everyone should open the bill in one window, and the article in another. Then move to the referenced pages in the article. One by one. I would not accept the writer’s interpretations for yourself. I just began doing this with the first article, “Shock: Inside the Health Care Bill”. I have found a number of items listed that are wrongly interpreted or just plain wrong.
If I get the opportunity to attend a town hall meeting in my district (not likely in Western New York), I will have a list of references that I have confirmed by reading the text myself. I don’t want to be embarrassed by citing BS.
Here’s one example from the first article:
“Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!”
Here is the text from the bill:
“(2) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—
(A) ANNUAL LIMITATION.—The cost-sharing incurred under the essential benefits package with respect to an individual (or family) for a year does not exceed the applicable level specified in subparagraph (B).
(B) APPLICABLE LEVEL.—The applicable level specified in this subparagraph for Y1 is $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family. Such levels shall be increased (rounded to the nearest $100) for each subsequent year by the annual percentage increase in the Consumer Price Index (United States city average) applicable to such year.
(C) USE OF COPAYMENTS.—In establishing cost-sharing levels for basic, enhanced, and premium plans under this subsection, the Secretary shall, to the maximum extent possible, use only copayments and not coinsurance.”
It sounds to me like maximum co-pay amounts are being defined. This is almost as bad as health care rationing in my view, because it represents another tax. We’ll be taxed at the payroll level and again when we collect services. Unless we meet the low-end income criteria. Still, it doesn’t seem to be what is referenced in the article.
Fwiw.
This was recently posted but deserves repeating:
ObamaCare and me
By Zane F Pollard, MD
I have been sitting quietly on the sidelines watching all of this national debate on healthcare. It is time for me to bring some clarity to the table by explaining many of the problems from the perspective of a doctor.
First off, the government has involved very few of us physicians in the healthcare debate. While the American Medical Association has come out in favor of the plan, it is vital to remember that the AMA only represents 17% of the American physician workforce.
I have taken care of Medicaid patients for 35 years while representing the only pediatric ophthalmology group left in Atlanta, Georgia that accepts Medicaid. For example, in the past 6 months I have cared for three young children on Medicaid who had corneal ulcers. This is a potentially blinding situation because if the cornea perforates from the infection, almost surely blindness will occur. In all three cases the antibiotic needed for the eradication of the infection was not on the approved Medicaid list.
Each time I was told to fax Medicaid for the approval forms, which I did. Within 48 hours the form came back to me which was sent in immediately via fax, and I was told that I would have my answer in 10 days. Of course by then each child would have been blind in the eye.
Each time the request came back denied. All three times I personally provided the antibiotic for each patient which was not on the Medicaid approved list. Get the point — rationing of care.
Over the past 35 years I have cared for over 1000 children born with congenital cataracts. In older children and in adults the vision is rehabilitated with an intraocular lens. In newborns we use contact lenses which are very expensive. It takes Medicaid over one year to approve a contact lens post cataract surgery. By that time a successful anatomical operation is wasted as the child will be close to blind from a lack of focusing for so long a period of time.
Again, extreme rationing. Solution: I have a foundation here in Atlanta supported 100% by private funds which supplies all of these contact lenses for my Medicaid and illegal immigrants children for free. Again, waiting for the government would be disastrous.
Last week I had a lady bring her child to me. They are Americans but live in Sweden, as the father has a job with a big corporation. The child had the onset of double vision 3 months ago and has been unable to function normally because of this. They are people of means but are waiting 8 months to see the ophthalmologist in Sweden. Then if the child needed surgery they would be put on a 6 month waiting list. She called me and I saw her that day. It turned out that the child had accommodative esotropia (crossing of the eyes treated with glasses that correct for farsightedness) and responded to glasses within 4 days, so no surgery was needed. Again, rationing of care.
Last month I operated on a 70 year old lady with double vision present for 3 years. She responded quite nicely to her surgery and now is symptom free. I also operated on a 69 year old judge with vertical double vision. His surgery went very well and now he is happy as a lark. I have been told — but of course there is no healthcare bill that has been passed yet — that these 2 people because of their age would have been denied surgery and just told to wear a patch over one eye to alleviate the symptoms of double vision. Obviously cheaper than surgery.
I spent two year in the US Navy during the Viet Nam war and was well treated by the military. There was tremendous rationing of care and we were told specifically what things the military personnel and their dependents could have and which things they could not have. While I was in Viet Nam, my wife Nancy got sick and got essentially no care at the Naval Hospital in Oakland, California. She went home and went to her family’s private internist in Beverly Hills. While it was expensive, she received an immediate work up. Again rationing of care.
For those of you who are over 65, this bill in its present form might be lethal for you. People in England over 59 cannot receive stents for their coronary arteries. The government wants to mimic the British plan. For those of you younger, it will still mean restriction of the care that you and your children receive.
While 99% of physicians went into medicine because of the love of medicine and the challenge of helping our fellow man, economics are still important. My rent goes up 2% each year and the salaries of my employees go up 2% each year. Twenty years ago, ophthalmologists were paid $1800 for a cataract surgery and today $500. This is a 73% decrease in our fees. I do not know of many jobs in America that have seen this sort of lowering of fees.
But there is more to the story than just the lower fees. When I came to Atlanta, there was a well known ophthalmologist that charged $2500 for a cataract surgery as he felt the was the best. He had a terrific reputation and in fact I had my mother’s bilateral cataracts operated on by him with a wonderful result. She is now 94 and has 20/20 vision in both eyes. People would pay his $2500 fee.
However, then the government came in and said that any doctor that does Medicare work cannot accept more than the going rate ( now $500) or he or she would be severely fined. This put an end to his charging $2500. The government said it was illegal to accept more than the government-allowed rate. What I am driving at is that those of you well off will not be able to go to the head of the line under this new healthcare plan, just because you have money, as no physician will be willing to go against the law to treat you.
I am a pediatric ophthalmologist and trained for 10 years post-college to become a pediatric ophthalmologist (add two years of my service in the Navy and that comes to 12 years).A neurosurgeon spends 14 years post -college, and if he or she has to do the military that would be 16 years. I am not entitled to make what a neurosurgeon makes, but the new plan calls for all physicians to make the same amount of payment. I assure you that medical students will not go into neurosurgery and we will have a tremendous shortage of neurosurgeons. Already, the top neurosurgeon at my hospital who is in good health and only 52 years old has just quit because he can’t stand working with the government anymore. Forty-nine percent of children under the age of 16 in the state of Georgia are on Medicaid, so he felt he just could not stand working with the bureaucracy anymore.
We are being lied to about the uninsured. They are getting care. I operate at least 2 illegal immigrants each month who pay me nothing, and the children’s hospital at which I operate charges them nothing also.This is true not only on Atlanta, but of every community in America.
The bottom line is that I urge all of you to contact your congresswomen and congressmen and senators to defeat this bill. I promise you that you will not like rationing of your own health.
Furthermore, how can you trust a physician that works under these conditions knowing that he is controlled by the state. I certainly could not trust any doctor that would work under these draconian conditions.
One last thing: with this new healthcare plan there will be a tremendous shortage of physicians. It has been estimated that approximately 5% of the current physician work force will quit under this new system. Also it is estimated that another 5% shortage will occur because of the decreased number of men and women wanting to go into medicine. At the present time the US government has mandated gender equity in admissions to medical schools .That means that for the past 15 years that somewhere between 49 and 51% of each entering class are females. This is true of private schools also, because all private schools receive federal funding.
The average career of a woman in medicine now is only 8-10 years and the average work week for a female in medicine is only 3-4 days. I have now trained 35 fellows in pediatric ophthalmology. Hands down the best was a female that I trained 4 years ago — she was head and heels above all others I have trained. She now practices only 3 days a week.
3 posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 5:41:31 PM by ExTexasRedhead
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2312963/posts
What if the money that had been blown (or will be blown, about 95% of it to go) on the Porkulus had been put towards a health care subsidy program for the involuntarily uninsured American instead, leaving the rest of the system as is. I don’t mean to actually endorse such a thing, but there are such things as levels of folly.
This will force many unto the single payer plan. If you do not go, then you will help pay for the health plan of others.
Not to mention the bank errors that the gov’t will cause in people’s bank account by electronic withdrawals for healthcare on Pages 58-59. Imagine the possible overdraft charges fattening up the banks.