Posted on 08/10/2009 5:01:58 PM PDT by FromLori
I hope you didn't think that everything about the healthcare bill was covered in Shock: Inside the Healthcare Bill. If you did, you were wrong. That just covered the first 500 pages. There's another 500 pages. Peter Fleckstien (aka Fleckman) has also read the second 500 pages.
As I write this, there are some 159 comments at the original Shock: Inside the Healthcare Bill. Some comments are left by people truly in shock by what the Obama Administration is trying to pull off. Others charge that his interpretations of the bill are incorrect and hint that he is purposely being misleading. To those commenters I have this to say:
Peter Fleckstein having read the entire 1,000 plus page document makes note about what is written in the bill and his view of what it means. When he writes, for example,"I smell ACORN" the bill doesn't mention ACORN but community organizations. Fleckstein knows what community organization means and helps the reader out by writing what he believes. The bill, itself, is written in dense legalese. I challenge anyone to read fully even the first 100 pages. Thank the heavens that Fleckstein is there to read the bill and comment on it, without the legalese.
I consider Fleckstein a hero for having read the whole damn thing. Paul Revere may have rode on his butt all night to warn about the British, however, after a good days rest, he was probably back to his normal self. Fleckstein has ploughed through 1,000 pages of this obtuse bill which must have cost him hours and hours and hours on his butt, and drained his eyes, to warn about a Draconian, totalitarian healthcare bill. Paul Revere is a hero for what he did to warn about the British. Peter Fleckstein is a hero to warn about healthcare totalitarianism.
At no point does Fleckstein shirk from standing up behind every word he writes. There is literally a page, chapter and verse reference from the Bill for every comment he makes. On all my posts and Fleckstein's there is always a link to the bill itself so you can checkout any comment Fleckstein makes against the exact point in the bill that he references.
Further, as one commenter put it, many who are looking at Fleckstein's interpretations are missing the big picture. Obama is marketing this bill as a program to help those who don't have health insurance, but if that is the case, what are all the detailed regulations for the rest of us about? If Obama just wants to provide healthcare to those who don't have it, then why doesn't he do just that and control the healthcare standards, billing, tracking and prices he is willing to pay, for those people under his program. What the hell does this have to do with the rest of us? I think Obama's entire healthcare program is a politician's cheap trick, even when he is talking about the poor and the uninsured (See here), but everyone should be able to smell the totalitarian rat when Obama is putting on all kinds of controls on all healthcare.
Here's what Fleckstein found in the second 500 pages:
Pg 503 Lines 13-19 Govt will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic med records.
PG 506 Lines 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data.
PG 518 Lines 21-25 The Commission will have input from HC consumer reps – Can u say unions & ACORN?
PG 621 Lines 20-25 Govt will define what Quality means in HC. Since when does Govt know about quality?
PG 624 “Quality” measures shall b designed to profile u including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc
Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those Multi-stake holder groups incl. Unions & groups like ACORN deciding HC quality.
PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Qual Measures” 4 Physician Svcs & Dialysis Svcs.
Pg 635 to 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Govt wants to shine sunlight on Docs but not Govt.
PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Govt will tell U where ur residency will b, thus where u’ll live.
Pg 676-686 Govt will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, incl. teaching hospitals.
PG 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny HC providers/suppliers admittance into HC Exchng.
Pg 719-720 Sec 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable med equip or home med svcs MUST b enrolled in Medicare.
Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforce. purposes the Secretary-HHS will give Atty General access to ALL data.
Pg 757-762 Fed govt will shift burden of payments 2 Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) 2 States. (Taxes)
Pg 768 Sec 1713 Govt – Nurse Home Visitation Svcs (Hello union paybacks)
Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Svcs – “increasing birth intervals btwn pregnancies.” Govt Abortions any1?
Pg 770 SEC 1714 Fed Govt mandates eligibility 4 State Family Planning Svcs. Say abortion & State Sovereign.
Pg 789-797 Govt will set, mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs brought 2 mrkt. Bye innovation
PG 801 Sec 1751 The Govt will decide which Health care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!
Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc req. 2 register. Govt takes over private payment sys.
PG 829-833 Govt will impose a fee on ALL private health ins. plans incl. self insured to pay for Trust Fund!
Pg 838-840 Govt will design & implem. Home Visitation Prog 4 families w young kids & families expect kids.
PG 844-845 OMG! This Home Visitation Prog. includes Govt coming in2 ur house & telling u how 2 parent
Pg 859 Govt will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes thats Billion.
Pg 865 The Govt will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps
PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where Drs. perform mandatory HC for 2yrs for part loan repayment
PG 876-892 The govt takes over the education of our Med students and Drs
PG 898 The Govt will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps. 2 ensure supply of public health prof.
PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.
PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians
PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL incl commissioned Regular & Reserve Officers. HC Draft? WTF!
PG 910 The Govt will develop, build & run Public Health Training Centers.
PG 913-914 Govt starts a HC affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.
PG 915 SEC. 2251. Govt MANDATES Cultural & linguistic competency trng 4 HC professionals.
Pg 932 The Govt will estab Preventative & Wellness Trust fund- intial cost of $30,800,000,000-Billion
PG 936 Govt will develop “Healthy People & National Public Health Perform. Standards” Tell me what 2 eat?
PG 942 Lines 22-25 More Govt? Offices of Surg. Gen. -Public Health Svc, MinorityHealth, Women’s Health
PG 993 Govt will establish school based health clinics. Your kids wont have a chance.
PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say GOVT Brainwash!
PG 1001 The Govt will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will u be tracked?
PG 1003 9-11 National Med Dev Reg ‘‘(iii) other postmarket device surveillance activities” U WILL b tracked.
Here's the Bill itself.
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
In a less insane system, there would be a means of requiring personal authorization before this happens, or at least some kind of formal proceedings akin to tax proceedings. (Though sometimes the IRS can vacuum out bank accounts in response to a tax dispute especially in case of a snafu).
Doesn’t look any different than the one I had already...
Limiting scope to the two summary items i’ve already addressed.... Says the same thing... no difference.
It seems I just finding this out.
The link to the bill this guy uses appears to have been changes at that .Gov link.
I’m trying to download the archives one at Jeff heads site, but having trouble. Seems different though.
Or maybe not.
This needs looking into further. Something is very wrong here.
look for another summary. This one is prob. bogus.
I Know Jeff heads copy is good, it’s been there for a while.
Jeff heads summary that is. It’s differnt than this one, and jives with the bill. Just scroll down past the links for it.
http://www.jeffhead.com/DemHealthCare.htm
Would of course put it past Obummer and friends to sow confusion by disseminating various versions without any version control. Why can’t Congress control its documentation as well as Microsoft or Red Hat does its?
Having read over the first 500 pages of the bill, my biggest impressions are:
1) What a HUGE bureaucracy would be needed to enforce the details of this bill - mandating huge numbers of government employees who would all be members of government employees unions whose money (paid by taxpayers) would go to keep Dems in office forever.
2) Surely Doctors would oppose this monstrosity which will dictate tons of paperwork, requiring additional staff, in order to be sure they comply
3) There is zero justification for the government to be involved in these minute details of healthcare, including especially, the end of life counseling sessions and the other details about pallliative / end of life care. NONE, NADA. We are NOT Britain or Canada or the USSR - not yet.
4) I could not find where or how this bill (specifically House bill 3200) does any of what Zero is claiming it will do - provide healthcare for all those uninsureds and prevent denial of insurance for preexisting conditions or reduce the cost of healthcare.
5) I could find the parts that will penalize (with the left = it is always right and good to PENALIZE normally law abiding people)ordinary Americans who would CHOOSE to not participate in this progam or any health insurance program and will PENALIZE businesses who do not offer healthcare. Just those provisions ALONE should cause freedom loving people to recoil in horror!
“The Secretary may prescribe such regulations or other guidance as are necessary or appropriate to carry out the purpose of this subsection [pick any subsection you want], including regulations or other guidance which provide for-—”
This all knowing, all powerful “Secretary” is the damn scariest thing I keep reading over and over in this piece of excrement. This “Secretary” will have virtually complete and irrevocable power in all matters!
What irony, when private doctor's office operations are popping up that are based on fixed dues and nominal co-pays. Little bookkeeping is needed. No wrangling with insurance companies. Insurance companies are unsurprisingly fighting this tooth and nail. (Oddly enough there is reportedly not a lot of abuse by hypochondriacs, which would be an obvious question.)
And even with this, I wonder if it would actually end up being czar-run, without meaningful participation by the actual Secretary who would in principle be accountable to Congress.
Because that would make it harder to cheat and lie. for sure, this "summary" is very suspicious. I'll label it bogus.
This is an absolute nightmare. They are going to bring the whole system down. Our health can system can not fit into this tight centralized control system. This is insane and evil.
This reminds me of Mao’s centralized food production programs...
No one is going to practice medicine in this mess who is any good and has any standards and ethics.
We will never get rid of it when it passes.
Who typed the list? Did they think they were texting someone? Sheeze!
thanks
I agree. I wish we could get summaries of each point without the sarcasm.
I’ve tried to read the bill and can’t understand most of it. It would be helpful lawyer would summarize some of the major points without all the sarcasm and fun notes.
I realize there is some bit of forming an opinion on what each one means, but as close as possible to what is actually being said in them would be helpful.
“I see references to coverage for illegal immigrants in the summaries here.
Yet, in the bill itself I find:
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
4 ALIENS.”
5 Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments
6 for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
7 not lawfully present in the United States.
Read points 5 through 7. Then consider another one of obama’s high priorities coming soon to a neighborhood near you, i.e., amnesty. Now, reread points 5 through 7, again. Understand?
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