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To: Jedidah; Fred Nerks; LucyT
I’ve been going back and re-reading old posts and am increasingly interested in Fred Nerks’ assertion that there is no evidence whatsoever that Ann Dunham set foot in Hawaii until she went there with Barry 0 as a toddler. Do you have a take on this?

Fred is correct as usual. My own view is that she did in fact go all the way back to Hawaii on August 8--I think that her actions from the birth date in Mombasa in August 4 (3 West Coast US Time) were driven by some direction, perhaps her mother, to attempt to establish citizenship in the US by birth under the then citizenship statutes.

Sure, the COLB might have been a complete fake (including the August 8 date for filing); in which case whatever she did file might have been filed at any point in that period. My own expectation is that we will ultimately see a filing in Hawaii made around the August 8 period. I accept the announcement in the newspaper also--that could be someone who effectively recut the microfiche in five libraries but that seems excessive and I don't think so.

So someone did something to give Hawaii Birth Records notice of the birth around the 8th of August. I think something got filed in the August 8 time period. I further speculate that she intended to be able to put his footprint on something before she filed it which is why they hurried to get him back.

There isn't any evidence that they did that. But if I were going to try to pursue their objective, I would have brought the kid to Hawaii; found a doctor friend who delivered babies at one of the local Hospitals; had him brief the Certification paper and footprint it; and slip it into his pile of deliveries for that period.

Something went wrong with that scheme or they couldn't fully execute and they did something that was part way and had some defects on its face.

But Fred's correct and there isn't any evidence she was in Hawaii again in that time period.

And it isn't fatal to the Kenya birth thesis that she wasn't. She registered for extension classes at the U--so what; she could have done that from anywhere by mail.

311 posted on 08/09/2009 12:34:13 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David
But Fred's correct and there isn't any evidence she was in Hawaii again in that time period.

And it isn't fatal to the Kenya birth thesis that she wasn't. She registered for extension classes at the U--so what; she could have done that from anywhere by mail.

There's no evidence that she was ever in Hawaii, other than Neil Abercrombie's fairy tales and what we are led to believe from 'Dreams'

I'm convinced the extension course materials were posted to her. Mary Toutinghi is as believable as Susan Blake, Neil Abercrombie, and 'the teacher from Kenmore' Barbara Nelson...who IIRC arrived from Bufallo the same year as Abercrombie did. As believable as Eleanor Nordyke, connected to the East West Centre, that lists her written works...who had twins in the 'same hospital' whose announcement we cannot find.

these are people with a common purpose.

346 posted on 08/09/2009 2:52:13 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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