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To: dalight
You have proved, only, that many in the past had trouble with the definition, just as we do today.
You have NOT definitely, legally, established the definition of “Natural Born Citizen” in any way, shape or form.
For starters, the actual statute that you bring up was a Reconstruction Era statute which was later made unnecessary by the 14th Amendment. Both that Congressional Act, and the 14th Amendment, are NOT exclusive of other means of citizenship, they simply RECOGNIZE the citizenship of former slaves.
Absolutely and totally irrelevant to the current debate.

“Natural Born Citizen” means Citizen at Birth.

Your post DOES agree with me in part, in that it state that “Natural Born” means “Not Naturalized”.

251 posted on 08/09/2009 6:38:12 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

so you want to cite the State Department? Try this:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)
a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person
who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born
citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and,
therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that “No
Person except a natural born Citizen...shall be eligible for the Office of
President;”
c. The Constitution does not define “natural born”. The “Act to establish an
Uniform Rule of Naturalization”, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat.
103,104) provided that, “...the children of citizens of the United States,
that may be born ... out of the limits of the United States, shall be
considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship
shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in
the United States.”
U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 - Consular Affairs
7 FAM 1130 Page 9 of 103
d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not
included in modern nationality statutes. In any event, the fact that
someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not
necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes


258 posted on 08/09/2009 6:55:05 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Kansas58
You have proved, only, that many in the past had trouble with the definition, just as we do today.

Not really, and this piece which carried the reference at the head, was written by a fellow who has been after this for a while.. and I wanted to use this to start explaining the background of why things are so. Because, you are lost in the question of citizen by birth rather than the constitutional test that was written into Article II which has no practical purpose other than to define who may assume the office of the President of the United States.

TO LAY WASTE TO THIS NOTION THAT THE TWO ARE SYNONYMOUS,

I call upon the U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 - Consular Affairs

7 FAM 1130 Page 8 of 103

7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)

a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.

b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that “No Person except a natural born Citizen...shall be eligible for the Office of President;”

c. The Constitution does not define "natural born". The “Act to establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization”, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat. 103,104) provided that, “...the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born ... out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”

d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not included in modern nationality statutes. In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.

290 posted on 08/09/2009 10:48:30 AM PDT by dalight
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