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To: El Gato
If Obama was not born in a Hawaii hospital, then where was he born?

If there is no hospital named, there should be an address or other description of where he was born. Someone has to sign as witness to the birth, in place of a doctor or midwife, someone like Grandma Toot.

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Yes, if there is no hospital name but Grandma Toot signed the birth certificate as a witness, then Obama and Hawaii officials would have a lot of explaining to do.

Again, that is one key reason why we need to see Obama's 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate: We need to make sure that Obama is who he claims he is by checking to see if a hospital name is listed, and if there is no hospital name, then we need to see who signed the long form birth certificate as a witness.

So, if Obama's grandmother is the one who signed the long form birth certificate as a witness to Obama's 1961 birth, then I say that Obama is in a lot of political trouble.

249 posted on 08/09/2009 6:24:20 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: john mirse
So, if Obama's grandmother is the one who signed the long form birth certificate as a witness to Obama's 1961 birth, then I say that Obama is in a lot of political trouble.

If your Aunt had balls she would be your Uncle.

267 posted on 08/09/2009 7:41:23 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: john mirse
As Polarik and other have brought up, I think the chances are also fair that there is NO original birth certificate on file. Although the Hawaii Dept of Health (DOH) surely has internal procedures to "recognize" people as citizens when this happens, it would be damaging to Obama as the public would demand further investigation.

Notice how the wording changed in 9 months, both from carefully-worded prepared statements.

On Oct 31, 2008, DOH director Fukino said she had "...personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

On July 28, 2009, she said she had "seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen." An index card pointing to a non-existent birth certificate is part of a "vital record".

It's important to note that Fukino semantically picks the phrase "natural-born American citizen" instead of "natural-born citizen". Abercrombie wouldn't even go so far on July 27, NOT using the word "citizen" of Hawaii, and certainly NOT "natural-born citizen" in H.R. 593, only "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii...")

If you ask a native trying to get land through the Dept of Hawaiian Home Lands office, they will tell you the DOH is notorious for LOSING originals. In the book, "In the name of Hawaiians" by Rona Tamiko Halualani, the author interviews many Hawaiians who voice frustration with the Hawaiian Health Office and the DHHL for sloppy record keeping of Vital Statistics. Here's an excerpt:

Missing Hawaiian birth certificate - excerpt from In the Name of Hawaiians

283 posted on 08/09/2009 10:01:57 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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