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To: Sherman Logan

I was born of two British Subjects, here in the U.S., in 1958.
Can anyone point me to the statute or law that says I’m a “Natural-Born Citizen”?
I had “Dual-Citizenship”, at best.


179 posted on 08/09/2009 12:18:53 AM PDT by gigster
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To: gigster

Under the 14th Amendment, as interpreted to date by courts, you were a citizen at birth.

Some argue there is a distinction between citizen at birth and natural born citizen, but such a distinction has never been recognized by US courts or administrative agencies.

I’m not saying such a distinction couldn’t exist, just that its existence has never been recognized and it seems highly unlikely to me that any court would recognize such a distinction given the literally explosive implications.

In fact, in one of the Supreme Court decisions that is relevant, one of the dissenters complained that the majority decision would mean a child of two Chinese coolies born in this country would be eligible to be president.

Since the majority overruled him, they implicitly agreed that this child of two foreign nationals (of unpopular race at the time) was indeed a natural-born citizen.


186 posted on 08/09/2009 12:33:30 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: gigster
Can anyone point me to the statute or law that says I’m a “Natural-Born Citizen”?

Of course not, there is no such law or statute (same thing really). There cannot be, because Congress only has power over naturalization, per the US Constitution.

I had “Dual-Citizenship”, at best.

You did indeed, for the 14th amendment declares that you are citizen, having been born in the US, and were at birth. But it does not mention 'natural born'.

Did you parents eventually naturalize, not that it affects your status, become permanent resident aliens, assuming they were not at the tiem, or did they return back across the pond?

188 posted on 08/09/2009 12:40:16 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: gigster
There is no particular reason to believe that holding dual citizenship invalidates status as a natural-born citizen and eligibility to the presidency.

According to this website, Panama has birthright citizenship.

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/issues/birthright-citizenship/nations-observing-birthright-citizenship.html

If true, it means John McCain (born in a Panama hospital outside the Canal Zone) was born with dual US and Panamanian citizenship. Which is utterly irrelevant to his position under US law. He could be a citizen of 50 countries under their laws, and US law doesn't care. We don't recognize their citizenship rules as affecting the status of a US citizen.

189 posted on 08/09/2009 12:41:17 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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