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To: Kansas58
If you are a citizen at birth, you are a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!

I am sorry you are wrong. The 14th Amendment was created and needed to define Citizenship by Birth vs. who needs to be naturalized. This is a wholely separate discussion than in Article II of the constitution which was intended to apply to an extreme select few individuals who might be placed in a position of supreme authority in our country. In this situation, the founding fathers went back to doctrine existing at that time, to define who would be elegible and they thought one of the most important criteria was undivided allegiance to the United States.

I could go into this in detail once again, but it will be like the 50th or 60th time. DO SOME RESEARCH before wagging your finger at folks.

Heck read the blinking article I cited where the Washington post goes into this without a single reference to the 14th Amendment because it just doesn't apply. They try to vague it up a bit, but there are great sources about this in the various threads here.

162 posted on 08/08/2009 11:57:58 PM PDT by dalight
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To: dalight
You are wrong.

The 14th Amendment is completely irrelevant and not helpful in this debate. It simply does NOT apply.
The 14th Amendment was written to grant rights to former slaves.
It is INCLUSIVE.
It is NOT EXCLUSIVE.

NOWHERE does the Amendment state that there are not other ways to gain citizenship.

NOWHERE does the 14th Amendment say that Congress can not make laws that include other methods of gaining citizenship.

171 posted on 08/09/2009 12:09:57 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: dalight
"I could go into this in detail once again, but it will be like the 50th or 60th time. DO SOME RESEARCH before wagging your finger at folks."

You need to take your own advice.

There is absolutely no legal definition of "natural born citizen" the requires citizenship of the parents. This has been explained here many times, with *legal* cites. Do the research, but not at birther sites.

365 posted on 08/09/2009 6:07:29 PM PDT by mlo
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