Legally, evidence is the COLB. PERIOD. Like it, don’t like it, suspicious about it, not satisfied by it -—whatever. It doesn’t matter because it is EVIDENCE. It says so on the face of it. It is issued by a lawful authority.
Unless somebody has something other than suspicions and curiosities, the birthers have no EVIDENCE. It is that simple.
Get sworn affidavits by people who saw him born in Kenya. That would be EVIDENCE. Show that the person who issued the COLB in Hawaii got 1 million dollar deposit into her bank account. That would be EVIDENCE. Whatever EVIDENCE you can gather goes into a pot to be weighed against the EVIDENCE presented by BO.
You will hear this referred to as the weight of the EVIDENCE.
The birther problem is that you have no EVIDENCE. Period.
Your respect for the law should start with the realization that courts work off something called EVIDENCE. Not suspicion, doubt, or uncertainties. This is a real good system. When or if the birthers ever get some EVIDENCE, then they can come to court and play with the grown ups.
Personally, I have yet to see anything that constitutes EVIDENCE on the birther side. If you guys are right, you might want to direct your attention towards getting EVIDENCE. Or, you can act like the liberals, smear people, run around in hysterics, make up stuff as it suits your cause, etc.
parsy, who chooses to not act like a liberal.
As I thought, you are completely ignorant. A COLB, under Hawaii law, is not evidence that the person was born in Hawaii. Sun Yat Sen, after he had to flee because of the communist takeover of China, spent his last years in Hawaii, was issued an equivalent document then available. So under your ignorant supposition, that is proof that Sun Yat Sen was born in Hawaii, right?
It has been endlessly pointed out on this and many other conservative sites that under Hawaii law and procedures COLB’s such as the document that you refer to as proof of Hawaiian birth for Obama are issues in large numbers to people who were not born there, since before the birth of Soetoro and at the time hat he was born and ever since.
To introduce such “proof” in a court, since the inadequacy of the COLB is demonstrable within Hawaiian law and public procedures on their face, one would have to produce an official who could be questioned to prove that there was actual proof, such as the actual paper document of the time, that showed actual birth in Hawaii under the practices then in effect. The first questioning of such an official, together with the laws and practices and procedures in effect, would quickly establish that the COLB by itself is not proof of Hawaiian birth. Jut to give one example that can be shown of record in Hawaiian law, for a long time, under the laws designed to protect and benefit native Hawaiians, the COLB was not sufficient to prove birth in Hwaii. Why? Because it does not prove birth in Hawaii.
I gather you believe yourself to be a “conservative” by your calling me liberal. It is amusing to see someone who conceives of themselves as conservative having such blind faith in a government document. In court, you know, there are governing laws and rules of evidence. In fact quite recently the Supreme Court has ruled, as you might have noticed, that the unsupported official reports of official government forensic experts cannot be introduced into evidence in criminal cases without producing the actual examiner who produced them and subject him to examination. Why? Because such official government documents were shown, quite dramatically in fact, to be unreliable.
The question then becomes why the minions of the man in the White House, occupying it at this time, why have they endlessly represented that the COLB is “proof” of his being born in Hawaii when it clearly is not and that can easily be established in the laws and procedures of Hawaii itself as in place at the pertinent times.
Further you appear to have no knowledge of the clause in Article II at issue and what the Supreme Court has said about it. But that is only the beginning. Before you call names you might endeavor to learn something in some depth about the topic, which you admit you have not done.
Hawaii gives out "BC"s for foreigners born overseas.