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To: Alas Babylon!; rawhide; Sherman Logan

the attractiveness of the person ‘defending’ themselves is irrelevant. it’s a case of scale.

would it be ok for a man to shoot a woman that slaps him? of course not. what if he just burned her? after all, she assaulted him and he defended himself. what if he just broke her arm? would that be ok? how about punching her?

if you think burning someone for being crass is ok, you really need to rethink that position the next time you argue with a clerk at a store. if they were using your mindset, they could hose you down with lighter fluid and set you ablaze since you were offending their sensibilities.


57 posted on 08/07/2009 8:01:25 AM PDT by sten
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To: sten

Sorry, FRiend, I disagree with you again. The guy ‘forcibly fondled’ her, according to the article, and failed to stop his advances, after being asked repeatedly to stop. She has every right to defend herself against his repeated unwelcome advances and from being ‘forcibly fondled’. As far to whether her action was appropriate, or whether it went beyond what is considered appropriate, that will be decided by the authorities. I applaud her actions, as it obviously prevented further aggression on his part. I do not think she did anyhting wrong.


58 posted on 08/07/2009 8:14:28 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: sten
And yet you're wrong. You're stating the FACTS of the case incorrectly. It wasn't a case of slapping. That is a red herring and you're making a very specious argument.

Here are the facts as spelled out in the article: He exposed himself to her, then forced her to touch his male member, and then continued to do so when repeated attempts to tell him to stop didn't work.

Does that simply sound "crass" to you? Crass is using cuss words, scratching my butt, or picking my nose in mixed company and in front of the children. If you believe what he did was merely crass, you have a very different definition of the word than me!

It doesn't matter at all that he was drunk. Imagine if one could use the "I was drunk" excuse to get out of the consequences of a crime? Could I kill someone, but get excused if I was drunk? Rape someone? Sexually assault them? Beat them up? At what point does the victim have right to stop such behavior, and use whatever means necessary to do so?

Here in Alabama what he did would get you charged with sexual assault, which can be a precursor to rape. And yes, using up to deadly force to prevent one from getting raped is certainly authorized here legally.

It is not up to you to decide if the next step would be rape, or at some point the attacker will stop. And it's not just me saying so. The Bill of Rights of the US Constitution recognizes self defense as a GOD given right. No government, American or Greek, can take that right from her.

Can they punish her for defending herself? Yes. Should they. I say no.

70 posted on 08/07/2009 8:44:08 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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