The Mob vs. The Czars?

self | 8/6/09 | LS

[Grumpybutt]

My 17 year old’s comment about the “snitch” story on Fox News yesterday was “They can’t do that! What about the 1st Amendment? Mom, he’s acting like a dictator!” (all shouted I might add and my ears are still ringing)

Thank GOD he likes history.

[tarheelswamprat]

I think it’s a Caesar-esque tactic of keeping the legions far away so they can’t oppose the king.

As was discussed here, during last year's election campaign Obama himself stated he wanted to form a "civilian" security force equal to our military. That was a clear reference to a sort of "Praetorian Guard" or "Geheime Staatspolizei".

The signs were there all along - the American people just refused to see.

[uncbob]

As was discussed here, during last year's election campaign Obama himself stated he wanted to form a "civilian" security force equal to our military. That was a clear reference to a sort of "Praetorian Guard" or "Geheime Staatspolizei".

That was my first thought when I saw that

But how many conservative Talk Show hosts even raised the possibility let alone sound the alarm

[carton253]

I've been listening and reading alot about what you have written. I agree... but I think there is a weary apathy that has enfused us. After the election, and the possibility of Acorn shannigans in Ohio, I freepmailed every Ohio freeper, called my state representatives, etc about the need for voter reform. The response overwhelmed me. Over 85% didn't respond. That's okay. Some freepers and state representatives agreed with me... the majority told me to give it up. I was tilting at windmills and wasting my time.

That is the true enemy. We are defeated before we even try. So why try? The election in Ohio could have been stolen. The fraud was rampant... yet the response was a yawn, a shrug, and the sage advice of you're wasting your time.

To me, this is the first thing that must go. Either we, as citizens, can fight city hall, or we can't. Which is it? If we can't, then why waste threads calling for a revolt or protest or anything else. We are as helpless as the Jews of Europe during the 30's and 40's. If we can... then let's do it. Before everything is lost.

[thecabal]

And another sad irony is the tremendous number of Freepers today who have no idea what we're talking about...

So true. And what seemed crazy a few years ago seems probable now. I'm young, but I've never in my life felt the palpable anger in the general population that I've been seeing in the last few days. The scary thing is that ruling class is almost acting as if they are intentionally trying to provoke a violent response. Think about the fear and propaganda they are stoking right now about "right wing hate mobs". If just one of us pops off (could be a false flag), then God help us.

[thecabal]

Glenn Beck was hinting at this for a while, but has almost come right out and said it in the last few weeks (did you see the "Obamajugend in lederhosen" skit last week?).

[thecabal]

We are as helpless as the Jews of Europe during the 30's and 40's. If we can... then let's do it. Before everything is lost.

I've been reading Unintended Consequences (finally), and there's a major plot line about the Warsaw ghetto uprising. Seems appropriate at a time like this. In fact, the entire book is freaking me out a bit right now.

[carton253]

The helplessness of the Jews came from a systematic denial of their rights, the withdrawal of the protection of government, the propaganda that they were the source of Germany's, Europe's and the world's problem. Only when they were villified and isolated did Hitler begin his Final Solution. By then it was too late. Most Jews went to the slaughter because they had no choice. They couldn't fight and no one would fight for them. Those who hid were eventually betrayed... and those who chose to fight found that they had very few allies that would supply them guns and weapons.

Could it happen here... why not?

[LS]

Well, I’ve called Reps outside my district (Mike Turner is on board, so it’s kind of a waste of time); called both senators (useless); called McCain’s office “on behalf of my mother”; spoke at one Tea Party, attended both; am involved in an ad hoc conservative PAC; and speak at every event I can. How much more do you want? And it’s for nothing, it seems.

[carton253]

I'm not saying anything about your efforts at all. I know how hard you work.

I'm talking about a general malaise that seems to effect the citizenry. A certain hopelessness the infects us. If we (the rhetorical we) seem to believe that our actions will not bring about change... what hope do we have?

So, my question still stands. Do we the people really believe that we can fight city hall. Or do we believe that all our protests are in vain?

[LS]

I guess the point of the post was that in fact there is NOT "malaise," but a fairly remarkable and strong opposition, and that it doesn't make any difference at all. Public demonstrations and calls and letters have no effect if an insulated, protected class of people don't see the marchers, don't open the letters, and won't take the calls.

[carton253]

I actually believe that we can fight city hall.

But we must vote out of office the politicians who do not listen to us. Replace them with representatives that do listen. Can it be done?

If the Mike Wilsons (Cincinnati Tea Party chairman for example) run for office and we, the people, go the polls and vote them in.

No more abdication of our responsibility. No more shrug of our collective shoulders. No more sage advice that we are wasting your time.

We either fight for the country or attend her funeral.

[thecabal]

I agree completely. The state run media is a huge part of the problem. I think we active Freepers forget that most folks still get their news filtered through these channels. That alone makes it extremely hard for us to gain traction, and it has the added effect of isolating us.

I'm watching yesterday's Glenn Beck program on DVR and he finally came to the same conclusion that I have regarding this whole "right wing town hall mob" thing. He realized that no President has ever ridiculed and marginalized the citizen opposition like Obama has. As he pointed out, Obama prides himself on being willing to talk to every evil dictator on the planet, but he refuses to hear legitimate opposition from his own countrymen. Then he came to the real frightening realization: that there's no other explanation for this behavior other than the desire to drive us to do something stupid, therefore allowing him to "reluctantly" drop the hammer on us.

Obama is intentionally denying us all outlets and methods of recourse. He knows the end result of that. We are living in frightening times; something we've never seen in this country before.

[nina0113]

The Blue Dogs will be told that with amnesty they seats will be safe in 2010

The SEATS may be - the particular a$$es sitting in them, not so much.

[the invisib1e hand]

I was hardly a Who fan, and especially couldn't stand that song, until I grew up enough to appreciate the genius of the message.

The more I get to know about Pete Townsend, the more I like him. Especially after seeing this.