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The Turning Point
Air Force Magazine ^ | 8/1/2009 | Rebecca Grant

Posted on 08/05/2009 6:12:23 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

A year ago, USAF had a fully funded modernization program. That program has unraveled.

The Air Force is in the throes of what could prove to be one of the greatest upheavals in its turbulent 62-year history.

The words “danger” and “difficulty” have become only too appropriate in describing the situation of USAF’s critical combat formations. Today is a time when aged fighters fall out of the sky and no replacement bomber is in sight. The nation bets its basic security on a force that is older—by far—than at any time since World War II.

Some see the current turmoil as comparable to earlier struggles over strategic bombers, ICBMs, and space. Those dustups created years of uncertainty.

The unofficial term “combat air forces” refers to fighter, attack, bomber, and some intelligence-surveillance-reconnaissance (ISR) assets. Within that grouping, the fighter and attack force comprises the bulk of manned and unmanned striking power.

The CAF is US airpower’s center of gravity, and it has already undergone irrevocable change and damage. USAF fighter and attack aircraft are aging faster than they can be replaced.

A year ago, the Air Force possessed a fully funded modernization program covering fighters, bombers, unmanned aerial systems, data links, and more. That program has unraveled. In its place comes a new Pentagon directive: Hold off on modernization and freely accept moderate to high risk in force plans.

“We’re not going to build the Air Force we thought we were going to build,” said Michael B. Donley, the service Secretary.

The crisis has been brought to a head by Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates’ decision to halt all production of the F-22 air superiority fighter and cut the maximum production rate of the F-35 multirole fighter. As a result, the service is trying to figure out how to do what it has never done: Accept into its aircraft mix a large number of less capable legacy forces.

The Air Force now being crafted will not be the advanced, sophisticated force conceived after Desert Storm in 1991. Plans laid in the mid-1990s called for the Air Force to push out all of its 1970s-era F-15s, F-16s, F-117s, and A-10s and replace them with new “fifth generation” F-22s and F-35s.

That plan would have, in due course, replaced all F-15Cs, F-16s, and A-10s with 381 F-22s and 1,763 F-35s.

The new plan calls for something less—far less. The new combat structure has been described as a “fifth generation-enabled” force, using small buys of advanced fighters to bootstrap more capability out of modernized legacy fighters.

In this regard, the Pentagon under Gates has made some big moves. The biggest were those to stop F-22 production at 187 aircraft—about half of the Air Force’s full replacement requirement of 381—and to limit maximum production of the F-35.

Gates’ actions were nothing if not controversial. Retired USAF Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney spoke for many with his claim, “This is the most dangerous defense budget since the post-World War II period.” Others dispute this, but there is no disputing the severity of the change.

Gates has made plain that his oft-declared effort to “rebalance” American military forces is no mere budget drill. Indeed, the Fiscal 2010 budget plan that he unveiled on April 6 was, in his words, “a budget crafted to reshape the priorities of America’s defense establishment.”

A Surfeit of Power

Those plans have been shaken to their foundations. US defense policy has been decoupled from a decades-long commitment to ensure no other power dominates any key region of the world. Two reasons have been adduced by defense officials.

One is a perceived need to focus more intently on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and, in so doing, bring programming for irregular warfare into the service mainstream. The second is Gates’ view that the US military already possesses a surfeit of a certain kind of power—conventional power.

Indeed, Gates’ comments and decisions show he’s making a deliberate shift away from what are now pejoratively called forces for major theater wars. Areas of US military dominance are now referred to as “excessive overmatch.”

In their joint USAF posture statement, Donley and Gen. Norton A. Schwartz, the Chief of Staff, state: “The Department of Defense provided guidance for the military to eliminate excessive overmatch in our tactical fighter force and consider alternatives in our capabilities.”

Oddly, the Gates shift does not stem from a full-blown strategy review by the Obama Administration; no national security review has yet taken place on the new President’s watch. Instead, Gates has used as his rationale the 2008 National Defense Strategy, shaped largely by himself and vigorously opposed by all the service Chiefs because of its acceptance of risk in the field of major conventional war.

At the center of this new risk strategy is the Air Force’s combined fighter, bomber, and attack fleet—the CAF.

For one thing, budget decisions contained in the 2010 plan guarantee that airmen will be compelled to continue flying aged F-15s and F-16s—two airplanes designed in the 1970s and bought, for the most part, in the 1970s and 1980s—for another three decades. The bomber force is, in many ways, worse off.

Old aircraft is only one side of the equation. The other side features a major modernization slump, based on Gates’ fighter and bomber decisions.

Taken together, these moves will inevitably drive the Air Force to higher risk levels. There are many reasons for this, but one big one is this: In the past decade, there grew within the Pentagon an overall sense that the CAF was too big.

The problem may have started in early 1991. In January and February of that year, the dominant airpower of a US-led military coalition decimated Iraqi air and ground forces in the six-week Desert Storm campaign. This led, postwar, to substantial cuts in fighter forces—from 38 to 20 active and reserve wings.

At first, this seemed reasonable. Substantial aircraft procurement in the Reagan 1980s meant the remaining USAF fighter force structure in the 1990s was, for the most part, young and strong. Moreover, equippage with precision weapons post-Desert Storm further increased the power of the fleet, allowing USAF to retire older aircraft. In all, the fighter inventory declined by some 1,000 aircraft.

What’s more, the experiences of Desert Storm led the Air Force to stop buying F-15s and F-16s in favor of developing lethal stealth and precision fighter-bombers for the future, the F-22 and F-35. Research and development money went to F-22 and F-35 programs. Meanwhile, USAF took the opportunity to invest in C-17s and complete the small B-2 bomber buy.

For all that, some in the Pentagon continued to harbor a belief that USAF had more combat airpower than it needed. Cuts came in the 1997 Quadrennial Defense Review, and challenges to USAF force modernization cropped up repeatedly in the late 1990s.

It was not until 2002—the second year of the George W. Bush presidency—that the real challenges began to take shape.

In 2002, the F-22—the leading platform in the Air Force modernization plan—was subjected to a very tough, high-profile review by the Office of the Secretary of Defense. The USAF requirement for 381 F-22s survived the blitz, but barely.

Things rocked along for another two years. However, the enormous cost of the Iraq War finally became a factor working against the F-22. In December 2004, the Pentagon issued an internal directive known as Program Budget Decision 753, signed by Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul D. Wolfowitz.

The directive lopped billions in funding from long-term fighter procurement. It swept away all money for F-22 production after 2011. The end result of this budget drill was a truncated “program of record” of only 179 F-22s. (Efficiencies later allowed the Air Force to purchase another four, for a total of 183 fighters.)

The directive also created a fighter gap. The nation’s war plans stuck the Air Force with a requirement for 2,400 fighters. Funding, though, would provide only 1,600. The gap came to a whopping 800 combat fighters.

The Air Force worried about that gap. However, USAF’s leaders believed they could live with a smaller fleet, given the capabilities of the F-22 and F-35. A severe funding crunch upended that plan. The Air Force could not buy new fighters fast enough to replace ones that reached their service life limits.

Senior Air Force leaders continued to budget for F-22 and F-35 production at better rates. At least with respect to the F-22, those efforts were met with constant opposition from OSD officials. The key figure in the anti-Raptor cabal was Gordon England, the deputy secretary of defense who had been appointed by Donald H. Rumsfeld but retained by Gates.

Excessive Overmatch?

England was an interesting case. He had worked for two fighter houses—General Dynamics and, briefly, Lockheed Martin. When, in 2005, he was made deputy secretary of defense, England made no secret of his dislike for the F-22 and Lockheed’s Marietta, Ga.-based fighter “mafia.” He expressed a strong preference for the F-35, and became a great proponent of the notion that USAF was in possession of “excessive overmatch” in combat air forces.

Gates made that capability a major target for cuts when he began to settle on details of a new national defense strategy in the first half of 2008. The Pentagon chief focused military energies on irregular warfare. He laid the groundwork for dismantling much of the planning guidance for major theater wars. The strategy also provided the justification for getting rid of many theater war capabilities across the armed services.

One clear goal of the strategy: The downgrading of the relative importance of US conventional military forces— namely, those flexible, service-specific core competencies focused on dealing with major theater adversaries in various regions.

The need to prepare to fight and win major theater wars always had provided a framework for US defense plans. Moreover, defense strategy in the 1990s had moved away from planning for specific scenarios. Into its place moved so-called capabilities-based planning. As set out by William J. Perry, Secretary of Defense in the period 1994-97, the essence of the strategy was to prepare forces to combat capabilities presented by regional aggressors, and adapt strategies and operational plans to contingencies as they arose.

Capabilities-based planning put heavy emphasis on evaluating adversary military equipment and potential force developments, ranging from diesel submarines to surface-to-air missiles.

Gates, however, came into office with a view that effectively put an end to capabilities-based planning. When his new strategy was released in July 2008, he declared, “I firmly believe that in the years ahead, our military is much more likely to engage in asymmetric conflict than conventional conflict against a rising state power.”

Gates made irregular warfare his own personal cause. He claimed that big conventional programs had strong constituencies, but IW did not. He planned to give it one.

Publicly there was little discussion of the Gates strategy. The Presidential election was in full swing and most saw the Gates document as a strategy “destined to be overtaken by events,” in the words of Michele Flournoy, then president of the Center for a New American Security (and now Gates’ undersecretary of defense for policy).

Nor did Gates try to play his hand to a conclusion. Decisions on the F-22, a new aerial tanker, and other programs were deferred to the next Administration.

Part of the reason may have been that the Joint Chiefs collectively non-concurred with the strategy. After discussions between the Chiefs and Gates, Gates in summer 2008 elected to go ahead with the document over their objections. By then, Gates had already forced out Secretary of the Air Force Michael W. Wynne and Gen. T. Michael Moseley, the Chief of Staff. In effect, the Air Force and other services lost their battle to try to get Gates to pay attention to future threats from their perspective. He saw their view as merely so much “next-war-itis.”

Things were to change, though. Gates saw his hand strengthened considerably after President-elect Barack Obama asked him to stay on in the defense post.

Soon, his strategy preferences began to emerge in programmatic form. Gates made a strange post-election move. The Bush White House, at the behest of the Joint Chiefs, had approved a large budget increase for Fiscal 2010, but Gates turned back $50 billion of it. With Bush gone and Obama in, Gates stepped up to the task of redirecting spending for the 2010 budget year into a series of bold changes. Few had foreseen how dramatic the changes would be.

Full details have yet to emerge. However, the overall direction is clear. Funding taken out over several years will make it impossible for the Air Force to buy a truly modernized force.

Buried in the details of the 2010 budget was a major negative decision: DOD would not, as asked, ramp up USAF’s F-35 purchases to 110 per year. Gates approved funding for a maximum rate of only 80 F-35s per year for USAF.

The decision to fund F-35 production at that rate locks in major shifts for the Air Force. First, it guarantees the long-term USAF fighter inventory will be smaller than planned by at least several hundred aircraft.

Will that number be enough to support overseas and homeland security requirements? The answer depends on details of the force planning construct. The F-35 budget was set prior to any decision on new defense planning scenarios and will be affected by decisions in the Pentagon’s massive 2009 defense review.

The Net Result

Theater war planning itself is out of favor. Not only that, but, for many, the goal of preparing forces to fight in two regions more or less at the same time seems much less compelling than it once was. The ability to take on two adversaries almost simultaneously has been a core tenet of US national security policy since the Truman years. However, with Gates opting for more risk in conventional conflicts, the two-war notion looked like an outmoded construct.

The net result of all these and other factors is a trend toward forces for just one theater war. Schwartz testified within recent weeks that there was “no question” that 187 F-22s would be “adequate for one major combat operation.” However, sizing combat forces for one operation at a time could seriously limit future policy options.

A final element of change in the rebalancing strategy is a rebuff of technology—a move particularly hard on the USAF combat air forces. Gates made it clear he is not a fan of exotic and highly capable weapons.

“I concluded we needed to shift away from the 99 percent ‘exquisite’ service-centric platforms that are so costly and so complex that they take forever to build and only then in very limited quantities,” Gates told an audience at Air University in Montgomery, Ala., on April 15, 2009. “With the pace of technological and geopolitical change, and the range of possible contingencies, we must look more to the 80 percent multiservice solution that can be produced on time, on budget, and in significant numbers.”

Unfortunately, the combination of Gates’ F-22, F-35, and bomber decisions ensures that USAF will not make a full transition to “fifth generation” aircraft. Instead, USAF will most likely keep significant numbers of F-15Es, F-15Cs, and advanced block F-16s for some time to come. The fleet will hit a low point over the next five years as fighters age and F-22 production ends.

This transition phase will last a decade as USAF’s planned F-35 inventory slowly builds. It’s a fact of life in this joint, allied program that the Marine Corps and several allies will receive deliveries of F-35s before Air Force bulk buys begin.

The result is that, five years from now, USAF’s combat air forces will actually look older than it does now.

Under the Gates plan (subject to the strong possibility of revision by Congress), the Air Force in 2014 will field a mere 186 F-22s and some 100 F-35s. This boutique fifth generation force will account for just 19 percent of the active duty inventory. The other 81 percent are to be old fighters.

By 2020, the situation should have improved. USAF, by that year, should take delivery of about 580 F-35s. That assumes OSD imposes no further program cuts or schedule delays.

The F-22s and F-35s, joined with remaining F-15Es and even a few F-16s, will form a fleet of around 1,300 active duty fighters. The CAF of 2020 will be an improvement, but it will never be able to give the nation full return on the taxpayer investments. Nor will it be the low-risk, superior force that was planned prior to 2009.

Now clear for all to see is the fundamental result of a decade of Pentagon decision-making: For the first time since the years before World War II, the Air Force has failed to re-equip itself.


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To: Nosterrex
Nah. For the dirty stuff He prefers union thugs who will be doing most of the work... at union prevailing wages per job type, of course. The others will be dedicated solely to lobbing Congress (gays and gals in the escort trades), and read the “Daily Officially Approved White House News” reports (either sex, as long as they are photogenic).
41 posted on 08/07/2009 3:40:44 PM PDT by PIF
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To: saminfl
No need to be concerned about bullet load. F35s, if they ever get into production, when airborne, will disappear in a SA 400 flash or go quickly to a Flanker missile from nowhere. They will go down with their full bullet load intact. Best keep them in the hanger for show and tell.
42 posted on 08/07/2009 3:45:42 PM PDT by PIF
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To: PIF
I think that you misunderstood what I was saying, or I didn't make myself clear. Those that are against Obamacare do not always attend the townhall meetings because they are organized to do so. I used myself as an example. I did not include those that were supporters of Obamacare. Obama’s staff has already stated that they are calling on the unions to infiltrate the townhall meetings.
43 posted on 08/07/2009 4:43:13 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: DeuceTraveler
This is a representation of the chickenhawk bureaucrats.
44 posted on 08/07/2009 4:44:09 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: puppypusher

But this time, we’ll know that the Russkies, Chicoms or some other enemy in the future we’d face will be equipped with the latest Flankers and PAK FAs.


45 posted on 08/07/2009 4:46:50 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: myknowledge

Yep. But we must accept high-risk encounters ie lots of downed planes and dead pilots. However, making an airforce on the cheap, means we will have to re-manufacture lots of cheaply made Sopwith Camels and Spads - Gates knows what he is doing, doesn’t he?

Those pesky Flankers, PACs, SA 400, and Anti-Access weapons will never be able to detect our new WWI airforce.

When it comes, if it ever does, perhaps we can have US pilots wave pictures of the still-to-be-produced F35s at the opposition - sure to strike fear in their evil hearts.


46 posted on 08/07/2009 5:03:57 PM PDT by PIF
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...

Si vis pacem, para bellum.


47 posted on 08/07/2009 5:05:35 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Nosterrex

Sorry you misunderstood the satire.


48 posted on 08/07/2009 5:09:44 PM PDT by PIF
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To: PIF
Because realistically, F-35s are too overengineered to be produced in bulk, unless aircraft industries outside the United States were selected to license build the F-35, like the UK's BAe Systems or Italy's Alenia Aeronautica. Those pesky Flankers, PACs, SA 400, and Anti-Access weapons will never be able to detect our new WWI airforce. Fighter pilots are a prized and precious commodity of any air force, and we need to make sure they are not needlessly sacrificed in action, because poorly skilled replacements will contribute to defeat, being unable to gain air superiority. It's the pilot who makes the difference, not just the plane, but how he/she handles it and exploits its strengths to the max. The Flankers, especially the new Su-35BM and lethal long range SAMs like the S-300 family make mincemeat out of legacy Gen 4 fighters. Truly, only the Raptor can defeat all these threats with comparative ease, and hold some ground of its own against the Gen 5 PAK FA. SecDef Robert Gates is the #1 Master Chickenhawk (shhhhhhhh)
49 posted on 08/07/2009 6:12:10 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Will the US Air Force be Annihilated in the Next War? USAF air superiority depends on this one fighter: The Raptor.
50 posted on 08/07/2009 6:27:07 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; narses; Republic; Never on my watch; SiVisPacemParaBellum; DeuceTraveler; ...
I won't argue with them canceling the F-22 program. While it can fly and is stealthy, it is a maintenance nightmare. Please read this article. Despite it being from the comPost, its facts are correct, at least according to folks I know that actually have worked on the plane.

In fact, for FY 2008, it only had a 62 percent mission capable rate. It has never flown a combat sortie over either Iraq or Afghanistan, despite the fact that the 1 FW at Langley (an F-22 wing) was IOC in 2005 and FOC in 2007.

This 62% Mission capable rate comes at a high pricetag, too. $360 MILLION per plane. Yes, that is $360,000,000 for ONE fighter plane. No wonder they would've never wanted to send the planes to Afghanistan or Iraq. You couldn't afford to lose one (even a loss due to a breakdown).

The only reason the F-22 wasn't killed during the Bush administration was that Congress really didn't care what the Bush administration wanted and appropriated the money anyway. Why? This is a Murtha thing. And, by the way, it's bipartisan.

Let's look at some of the key supporters for the program. The prime contractors (Boeing - Lockheed team) contributed over $78,000 to Murtha last cycle. More importantly, as the chairman of the Armed Services subcommittee of the Appropriations Committee, he controls whether or not that item stays in the budget or not. (His support for programs that benefit other members, of either party, help guarantee their support for pork-barrel government projects, apparently unrelated, for his district).

Who else are big supporters? Look at a few of them:

Bottom line: there's a lot of money going on here. The reason Congress is supporting this has NOTHING to do with national defense. It has to do with money, lobbyists, and / or pieces of F-22 being built in their districts.

If somebody can show me a Congressman who has come out and who has NO interest in this (either by district jobs or political contributions), I'll be very, very surprised.

As for the Air Force Association (who wrote this piece), it does great work. I am not besmirching the AFA, but you've got to keep in mind that it is a private industry-military organization, it *is not* part of the Air Force. If you take a look at AFA's officers, you will find that all of them are former AF people, but they are also either current or former aerospace-defense industry people too. For example, Joseph Sutter (AFA Chairman) was formerly with a electromechanical component manufacturer, Jim Lauducci (AFA Vice Chair) works for Harris, Sanford Schnitt is on the Board of Directors of Comdial...and so on. The point is that I have never read an Air Force magazine that said "this major acquisition program is a dog. The AF ought to scrap it." Not for the F-22, not for anything. Not to say it hasn't happened, but I don't remember it.

Bottom line is that yeah, we need to have a replacement for the F-15s, F-16s, and F/A-18s, but the F-22 isn't it. If a plane is so expensive that you won't use it ($360M a pop) and it's so undependable that they won't trust it (mission capable 62%), what the heck good is it?

51 posted on 08/07/2009 9:09:50 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

This sounds reasonable to me. Is anyone working on a replacement?


52 posted on 08/07/2009 9:54:12 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: puppypusher
And after the North Vietnamese did to us before Top Gun. Or that in WWII we built the B-29, the second largest weapon expense of the war, and found that low level, unarmed carpet incendiaries was the most effective.

So, planning ahead and massively spending and dedicating to a weapons programs isn't that productive.

53 posted on 08/07/2009 10:15:16 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: markomalley

Some of your points are valid, some are not. The 62% mx rate is low, it may be accurate. The F16 and F15 were probably over 80% (we’re about 83% now in my squadron) at similar times in the program. Thats a rough guess, any MX folks on FR please chime in. 62% is not good, but it is being worked on.

The price. Where to start. The program was supposed to have over 750 aircraft purchased. The lead up to IOC was too long (way too long) which led to over runs. So, instead of amortizing the up front R&D costs over 750 aircraft it is now amortized over 184. The price on a Raptor is $135M on accident reports. I had a friend pick one up from Lockheed, he said the paperwork said $108M, who knows what it actually is. But your $360M number I have a hard time believing. Lets say its accurate though. The current price is $108 to $135M to buy them now, and the R&D cost is ALREADY PAID FOR. The USAF is NOT going to pay $350M or $500m or $1B per aircraft. Steep at $135M; yes, but an F16 (Blk 60/70) is over $50M, and a F15C/E is about $65M. Call the F22 price right now as double the cost of an F15 and a bit more for an F-16. You could buy 50 F16s and not hit the target. It pains me to say this; I fly them! But you can’t hit the target if you are turned into a loose collection of hair, teeth and eyeballs before you get to the target....

Here’s the problem; You cannot fight China (and several other countries) with F15s or F16s. You can’t do it, period dot, end of story, this is my job (and has been my career for over 18 years), there is no debate, etc. etc. etc. The SA 10 surface to air missile system and all its derivatives have taken that option off the table. It would be a slaughter. And that system is proliferating like wild fire.

So, in summary, they don’t cost $350M apiece, they cost roughly twice the cost of an F16. Either it or something like it is needed. You CANNOT penetrate an SA-10 Missile Engagement Zone (MEZ) with an F16 or F15. Either buy more at $135M per aircraft and lower the per unit cost or come up with something else. That “something else” program would take a looong time and probably cost even more! For all the folks about to yell “Get UAVs!”, please choke yourselves. Just kidding. The tech isn’t there yet and won’t be for a long time. It is the future. It’s not here yet.

You can (and need to) buy more F16s and A10s to plug the gap until the F35 comes on line. The F35 is real expensive too. Pulling some F16s or A10s out of the boneyard, buffing them up with new tech, and extending the airframe life would be a lower cost option to plug the gap in “follow on forces” that would come in after the F22 does it’s thing. We still need them, and we need more of them as the ones we have are almost at the end of their airframe lives. But no matter how you slice it, unless we’d like to be second fiddle in the air superiority world (not a good idea) you cannot do it with any technology other than the F22. I haven’t (and won’t touch it on this forum) gone into the threats coming on line in the form of Su-27/35/30mki, Gen5 stealth projects from the Russians or Chinese, or their new stable of air to air missiles. I’d rather avoid getting a visit from the OSI or the DIA. These aircraft make the tactical problem even worse, in case you’re wondering.

I’m not even a fan of the F22; we gutted the other forces to pay for it and didn’t explore other options when we could have (about 1998) but it’s too late to change now, and it’s all we’ve got that can do the job in the current double digit SAM threat environment. It’s expensive, but it gets the job done, unlike lots of other things the US government buys.


54 posted on 08/07/2009 10:32:14 PM PDT by yankeebulldog ("Semper Viper!")
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To: markomalley

The unit cost is the total cost of the program divided by # of jets. Congress chops the # of jets being procured and guess what happens to unit cost as a result? Then they cite the later dollar figure and say, “It was so expensive we had to cut it.” Two years ago, the unit cost being thrown around was $125 million. Chop the # being produced and Voila!! it now costs $360 million.

It’s the same thing with the B-2 bomber. Everybody bitches about them being $2 billion each. That’s what happens when you chop the procurement number from 132 to 21.

As for the current mission capable rate, it’s 70% not 62%. You’re citing a figure from 2004.

The “facts” presented by the Washington Post are not correct and nearly every assertion has been rebutted but there’s no convincing the people who insist on making a career of being naysayers. It’s always a lot easier to complain and shoot holes in something. That’s not to say that the F-22 is wonderful or perfect, it isn’t. There’s a lot of things about the program (technical, acquisition, and contracting) that are a real good example of what not to do, but cutting it off at the knees now that it’s actually being fielded isn’t right, either.

The Russians and Chinese have stolen enough technology to make some really top-of-the-line fighters. We have to move ahead, too. This isn’t the 1980s where we were operating modern jets and everybody else (including the USSR) was operating jets fielded in the 1960s that were carrying 1950s technology. They’ve modernized their forces while ours were neglected.


55 posted on 08/08/2009 2:58:31 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Republic

You obviously don’t understand the need to “community organize” the military. ACORN will defend us— against those who still believe in the Constitution.


56 posted on 08/08/2009 3:00:21 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Republic

But, but, California had a program for clunkers years ago and look how well they’re doing. Read Tom McClintock’s piece that was posted a while ago.


57 posted on 08/08/2009 3:01:27 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: myknowledge

I guess you missed the snark with the WWI planes - those are the sort of planes which Gates & Co would like - cheap to make. But really the high-tech stuff on the Flankers et al would not see the Spads, and not be able to slow down enough to shoot. So Forward to the Past!


58 posted on 08/08/2009 5:44:24 AM PDT by PIF
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To: markomalley

Interesting.

Let me get this straight - after Congress has killed further F22 production, after thousands are put out of work, after all the skills the workers had disappear because there is no other air superiority plane in production for them to transfer to, you write a long winded-piece filled with disinformation defending why the F22 is a bad plane, regurgitating all the same points Gate’s boys made and then justifying that point of view by claiming you got the same info from people who have “actually have worked on the plane” - what an unoriginal canard!

Are you afraid that some magical thing might happen and the F22 be reinstated?

The cost you cite applies to the first batch of planes produced, as more were produced the costs fell a lot. However, had the original 750 been built, the costs would have fallen even further, and if Democrat Obey’s Amendment banning overseas sale had been waved for the Japanese, Australians, and Israelis - all of who would purchase 100s - the price per plane would have fallen even more dramatically. So your cost argument is totally bogus.

So sit back and relax when the next air challenge comes along, because thanks to your and others efforts - USAF pilots will be as Sec. Gates plans: at high-risk against exported next-gen Russian and Chinese fighters - to the extent our guys with their aging antiques would be best served staying in their hangers and the troops they would protect remaining home.

Glad you agree that we need replacement aircraft. Perhaps you will volunteer your expertise and analytical ability in designing a cheap, exportable replacement to compete with the very expensive, very high-tech Flankers, PACs and J-Series air superiority fighters?


59 posted on 08/08/2009 5:45:42 AM PDT by PIF
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To: Nosterrex
This sounds reasonable to me. Is anyone working on a replacement?

In my mind, I think they need to look at the mission of the fighter again.

In my mind, there are two basic missions: ground attack and air superiority.

For ground attack, Predators and Tomahawks can do a large amount of the job. If you can put 100 UAVs in the air for every F-22, then how much do you need manned ground attack aircraft? Maybe you need more UAVs and more air control aircraft.

For running wild weasel type missions, you could equip the radar and SAM detection equipment in a UAV, along with the appropriate HARM missiles.

For air superiority, again, you could equip a UAV with more modern air-to-air missiles and up-to-date detection equipment. Those missions would have to be semi-autonomous, to have a human confirm a airborne target as a bogey and not a neutral (or allied friendly), but the remaining functions could be done autonomously. Granted, they would suck in dogfights, but, in reality, how many dogfights are actually necessary nowadays?

For close air support, you could again use a UAV equipped properly, but it would need to have some human control in order to minimize fratricide. But, again, it's not like that stuff isn't happening now.

UAVs have one other big advantage: human factors engineering is not required to make them go. The biggest limitation on aircraft design, to my knowledge, is the amount of stress you can put the pilot under. If it wasn't for the pilot, you could design an aircraft to be far more maneuverable and agile than it they can now. (How many humans could take a 14G turn?)

The downside is that you have to absolutely have reliable, high speed, jam resistant data links in order to maintain human control (when required). But, proper control of wild weasel missions can remove jammers (which would wreak havoc on CAS aircraft). Besides, data links are part of the deal right now anyway (how do you think they control smart bombs and make adjustments to T-LAM missions today?)

So what I'd do is to make a transition to unmanned aircraft with an increased number of air control aircraft (where the pilots would be located).

Just IMHO.

60 posted on 08/08/2009 6:54:29 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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