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Texas Wind Power: The Numbers Versus the Hype
Energy Tribune ^ | Aug. 05, 2009 | Robert Bryce

Posted on 08/05/2009 2:19:10 PM PDT by neverdem

Texas has repeatedly been lauded as a leader in wind power development. Some of that attention is deserved. In 2008, the state installed nearly 2,700 megawatts of new wind capacity. If Texas were an independent country, it would rank 6th in the world in terms of total wind power production capacity.

The state's Republican governor, Rick Perry, has been among the state's most ardent wind power boosters, declaring a few years ago that "No state is more committed to developing renewable sources of energy." He went on, saying that by "harnessing the energy potential of wind, we can provide Texans a form of energy that is green, clean and easily renewable." The Lone Star Chapter of the Sierra Club has repeatedly trumpeted wind power development saying that it "means more jobs for Texas, less global warming from coal plants and less radioactivity from nuclear plants." The group says (PDF) that wind power in the state "has exceeded all expectations" and has created "an estimated $6 billion investments and 15,000 new jobs" for the state.

Graphic by Seth Myers

In June, shortly before the US House voted on the cap and trade bill, President Obama reminded reporters that Texas has one of the "strongest renewable energy standards in the country....And its wind energy has just taken off and been a huge economic boon to the state."

Alas, the hype exceeds the reality. The Electric Reliability Council of Texas, the operator of the state's huge electric grid, has considered the "capacity factor" of wind – the ability of the generators to produce power at 100% of their maximum rated output – and placed wind's reliability at less than 9%. In a 2007 report, the grid operator, known as ERCOT, determined that just "8.7% of the installed wind capability can be counted on as dependable capacity during the peak demand period for the next year." It went on to say "Conventional generation must be available to provide the remaining capacity needed to meet forecast load and reserve requirements." Earlier this year, the grid operator re-affirmed its decision to use the 8.7% capacity factor.

Thus, Texas now has about 8,200 megawatts of installed wind power capacity. But ERCOT, in its forecasts for that summer's demand periods, when electricity use is the highest, was estimating that just 708 megawatts of the state's wind power capacity could actually be counted on as reliable. With total summer generation needs of 72,648 megawatts, that means that wind power was providing just 1% of Texas's total reliable generation portfolio. And ERCOT's projections show that wind will remain a nearly insignificant player in terms of reliable capacity through at least 2014, when the grid operator expects(PDF) wind to provide about 1.2% of its needed generation.

The punchline for the wind power business in Texas is that despite all the hype, the reality is that the Lone Star State will continue to rely on the same fuels that it has relied upon for decades: natural gas, coal, and nuclear.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: energy; windpower
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

No two installations of wind, coal or nuclear power come out at precisely the same cost, but wind power is proving to be very competitive in cost to coal or nuclear.

Of course hydro is far cheaper than any of them. All of these sources and solar two help balance out the mix and each contribute their strong features to the overall grid reliablity.

One advantage of wind is that there are many breakthrus in technology that have been tested and proven and are being installed now. Todays windmills are responsive to much wider wind variations, at both higher and lower speeds than earlier generations of wind machines. The are also more dependable with fewer breakdowns.

All grid operators have to deal with rapidly changing loads and production, no matter what the source of their power. Coal and nuclear plants can take a long time to power up from an idle. Windmills are much more responsive to taking up the slack when you need power in a hurry.

By spreading windmills widely across your grid, you even out a lot of load and production variables.

A big new development is windmills mounted inside of those big four corner highline towers. The can be mounted inside existing towers and each will power several hundred homes. Being spread out over so many miles, at least some of them will be generating at any one time. Expect to see thousands of them installed all across America.

You can find fault with any energy source but that is self defeating. By using the stregths of all the energy generating sources, we end up with a very solid and reliable grid.


41 posted on 08/06/2009 4:07:25 PM PDT by larry hagedon (born and raised and retired in Iowa.)
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To: larry hagedon
Sounds good but unrealistic. I can't envision wind power providing any significant portion of our energy needs in the near future. Like the article says, the facts don't support the hype. If we built a few nuclear power generating plants, we wouldn’t need any windmills at all.
42 posted on 08/06/2009 4:21:43 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: The Great RJ

It is interesting that as a cool front was moving in and electrical demand was growing that the wind died out.

Coal and nuclear backup power will not respond well to unusual increased loads like that. It would have been at least as bad had a coal plant failed, and much worse had it been a nuclear plant failure.

You can find fault with any energy generating source. What we have here is cherry picking of the worst faults of wind and comparing them to the strong features of coal and nuclear power. That is the classical apples to oranges.

Grid operators use the best features of each generating source to offset the dissadvanteges of the others.


43 posted on 08/06/2009 4:30:52 PM PDT by larry hagedon (born and raised and retired in Iowa.)
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To: Sequoyah101

watch the local nuclear plant sit idle for months because of a cracked pipe and tell me just how reiable that is.

On any one day any power generating system could be down.

Wind power has proven to be a valuable portion of the generating mix.


44 posted on 08/06/2009 4:36:57 PM PDT by larry hagedon (born and raised and retired in Iowa.)
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To: slowhandluke

You are comparing the absolute worst case scenario of wind power with best case and hoped for perfect operation of coal and nuclear plants.

Try matching the good points of wind with the good points of coal and nuclear and watch how well they work together on a grid and you will learn something.

You can take wind power down for maintenance of one or two windmills at a time. The other fifty or a hundred windmills can still be producing. Take a coal or nuclear plant down for 2 or 3 or 4 months for maintenance and re-certification and see how much electricity it is producing. just because they do not break down often does not mean they do not break down.

Any grid with a nuclear plant or any coal plants on line still needs one nuclear plant or an equivelent nunmber of coal plants on standby because catastrophic failures do happen.

Bottom line is windmills do work and have been proven over and over to work and work well as a portion of a grid power mix.


45 posted on 08/06/2009 4:57:22 PM PDT by larry hagedon (born and raised and retired in Iowa.)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

I have dealt with engineers before, that are working for the competition.

They can be the most blind and irritating people imaginable.

Total blind faith in the company that signs their paycheck and total lack of comprehension of what the competition is doing.

You sure I have not talked with you before?


46 posted on 08/06/2009 5:02:07 PM PDT by larry hagedon (born and raised and retired in Iowa.)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

You are missing the point here. A big reason we are in toruble now is that we have relied on too few power supply technologies for too many years.

The key is to mix a number of technologies and use the best features of each, all working together.

Wind is a viable and proven part of that mix.


47 posted on 08/06/2009 5:07:26 PM PDT by larry hagedon (born and raised and retired in Iowa.)
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To: larry hagedon

This sort of contradicts some things I have previously read. IF there is new technology, great. As far as cost, how can the output of wind be as efficient/economical as the others especially nuclear? Do you have sources to share?


48 posted on 08/06/2009 5:10:52 PM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: unixfox

Hit don’t always blow in West Texas and sometimes, hit blows too darn hard for them windmills.


49 posted on 08/06/2009 5:20:02 PM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: paul51

You have a good point, but when are we going to build those nuclear plants?


50 posted on 08/06/2009 5:36:20 PM PDT by larry hagedon (born and raised and retired in Iowa.)
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To: larry hagedon
Once the nation has an energy policy that makes sense. Our current energy policy is based on more expensive energy and restricting use (under the guise of conservation). Our policy should be the opposite. Plentiful, cheap energy. Unfortunately, the people of the country haven't grasped that yet and our ruling class is all to anxious to control the dirty masses any way they can, including restriction of their energy supply.
51 posted on 08/06/2009 5:41:51 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: outinyellowdogcountry
My knowledge of the wind industry comes from being retired and cruising the internet daily loking for energy and bio technology news. There are two conflicting groups of information sources out there re bio tech and alt energy, a negative group, posting all the bad news they can dig up, and a positive group, reporting actual industry developments and good news. I have watched the wind industry mature and thousands of news stories I have read in the past are long gone. Here are a few I just googled up, with a scattering of news tidbits from them; http://www.warren.usyd.edu.au/bulletin/NO43/ed43art6.htm Wind power is a whirlwind of innovation. The fastest growing electricity generating sector worldwide... With global installed capacity of 47,000MW and annual growth of 28% for the last nine years, wind energy is increasingly the electricity generation technology of choice... A major technical challenge is integration with networks as wind power penetration levels exceed 15-20%. In a fully connected system with widely dispersed windfarms and no transmission constraints, variable production due to changing wind speeds is less noticeable, since not all windfarms experience the same fluctuations at the same time. The system can also respond to changes in windfarm output since it already copes with high frequency variations in demand. However, as penetration increases above 15-20% in particular parts of the network, there is an increasing requirement to hold capacity in reserve to fill in the gaps from windfarms... http://www.nordicenergysolutions.org/innovation/demonstration-pilot/wind-power StatoilHydro has decided to build the world’s first full scale floating wind turbine, Hywind, and test it over a two-year period offshore Karmøy... WindSea have launched the next generation of floating wind power plant. The WindSea triple turbine will help overcome some of the most important challenges of wind power production offshore... The Norwegian company SWAY AS is developing deep-water wind turbines that will be tested out off the island of Utsira... Chapdrive is developing an innovative hydraulic transmission for wind turbines that will enable lower weight and more cost efficient wind turbines by reducing weight in the nacelle, simplify installation and reduce operation and maintenance cost... http://www.tf-risk.com/knowledge/20060711_nawindpower.asp The question is: Can today's maturing turbine technology and control systems provide the operational reliability and cost-of-energy competitiveness to secure a significant, enduring position on the nation's electrical grids? Experts say the answer is yes... "If the political will is there," he says, "we do have the technology and the power electronics to coordinate and manage as much as 20 percent of the nation's power supply [within a decade or so]…the technology is there." "Specifically, in terms of meeting the Department of Energy's goal of 3.6 cents/kWh by the year 2012, at least three machines [turbines] are right on track to meet or exceed that," Butterfield says...
52 posted on 08/06/2009 6:05:53 PM PDT by larry hagedon (born and raised and retired in Iowa.)
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To: DungeonMaster
Actual annual capacity factor is more like 30-35 percent irrespective of what a grid operator wants to say.

As one that has several years of grid operation under my belt including the use of wind generation, I know better. 20% is a realistic figure over the course of a year and that's from actual data, not speculation. Less in areas where wind isn't as suitable, more where wind is more suitable.

53 posted on 08/06/2009 7:42:03 PM PDT by meyer (It's 1938 all over again - the democrats are the new NAZIs and conservatives are the new Jews.)
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To: larry hagedon
Wind is a viable and proven part of that mix.

0.7%? big whoopi.


54 posted on 08/06/2009 7:47:26 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady from the North)
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To: meyer
As one that has several years of grid operation under my belt including the use of wind generation, I know better. 20% is a realistic figure over the course of a year and that's from actual data, not speculation. Less in areas where wind isn't as suitable, more where wind is more suitable.

The 900 kw turbine in Waverly Iowa is average as is the site. It cranks out 2700 mwhr per year which is a cap factor of 34 percent. Today a 900 kw unit would be fitted with a 59 meter rotor and would produce more than 2700 mwhr. Your 20 percent is way off.

55 posted on 08/07/2009 6:04:28 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (I can reach across the aisle without even using my sights.)
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To: newgeezer
So, it'd be interesting to see how they came up with 8.7%. Forgive my ignorance but, I could only guess it might have something to do with further reducing your figure by accounting for how much of that energy is consumed vs. how much is 'wasted', how easy (or difficult) it is to make use of the energy coming from the turbines when the wind is blowing. I suppose if the rest of your generating capacity comes from gas-fired plants, it's theoretically possible to make the best use of your wind farms. (Again, forgive me if I'm out in left field.)

I'm guessing that particular operator is penalizing windfarms for not producing that 30-35 percent power at all times. We've seen days in iowa where a windfarm is producing over 75 percent all day and all night but in the summer there are days when they produce very little.

56 posted on 08/07/2009 6:09:50 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (I can reach across the aisle without even using my sights.)
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To: larry hagedon
The 'absolute worst case' for wind power then happens multiple times a year, on still cold nights in January and still hot days in August. On those days you still need coal/nuke to handle the load. And you can't wave that away with the implication that 'absolute worst case' for windmills is as infrequent as the absolute worst case for coal/nuke.

Windmills simply have a lot more moving parts per MW, which translates to a lot more maintenance needed.

And do not suggest that we can move power from the wind in Texas to the quiet spots. Shifting electricity long distances is costly due to loss. Some shifting can be done by wheeling power (A->B->C-D instead of just A->D), but it is a complex thing and not something easily automated. It also adds risk, as more network elements become single points of failure.

Windpower isn't economic because it is unpredictable.

And I have run the numbers, though some years ago. I worked on production cost models for an electric utility which used outage rates and efficiency numbers to decide which plants to run for best cost. While windmills have gotten some better over the years, the wind cycle hasn't changed much.

If windmills were so efficient, why in the world would subsidies be needed? Electric companies would be jumping at the chance to put them in if they actually were more economic and as reliable.

57 posted on 08/07/2009 6:58:44 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
.07 percent market share not enough for you so you are ridiculing it? I guess that is one way of turning a ground floor opportunity and massive opportunity for growth into a supposed negative.
58 posted on 08/07/2009 10:02:06 AM PDT by larry hagedon (born and raised and retired in Iowa.)
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To: DungeonMaster
2700 mwhr? 2700mwhr couldn't operate a toaster.

Did you mean 2700 Mwhr? M = mega 10^6. m = milli 10^-6

59 posted on 08/07/2009 11:17:56 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady from the North)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

that should be milli = 10^-3


60 posted on 08/07/2009 11:21:35 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady from the North)
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