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To: tpanther

“evolution taught as fact not theory and work from there...”

Repeating the same fallacy over, and over again is not going to make it true.

Or as you so aptly put it “I’m not going to show you the dozens of times again......with all your dishonest misrepresentations, irrelevant strawman questions and half-wit projections;”

Is Evolution only a theory?

Creationists argue that evolution is “only a theory and cannot be proven.”

As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. A clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts.

A fact is something that is supported by unmistakable evidence. For example, the Grand Canyon cuts through layers of different kinds of rock, such as the Coconino sandstone, Hermit shale, and Redwall limestone. These rock layers often contain fossils that are found only in certain layers. Those are the facts.

It is a fact is that fossil skulls have been found that are intermediate in appearance between humans and modern apes. It is a fact that fossils have been found that are clearly intermediate in appearance between dinosaurs and birds.
Facts may be interpreted in different ways by different individuals, but that doesn’t change the facts themselves.
Theories may be good, bad, or indifferent. They may be well established by the factual evidence, or they may lack credibility. Before a theory is given any credence in the scientific community, it must be subjected to “peer review.” This means that the proposed theory must be published in a legitimate scientific journal in order to provide the opportunity for other scientists to evaluate the relevant factual information and publish their conclusions.

Creationists refuse to subject their “theories” to peer reviews, because they know they don’t fit the facts. The creationist mindset is distorted by the concept of “good science” (creationism) vs. bad science” (anything not in agreement with creationism). Creation “scientists” are biblical fundamentalists who can not accept anything contrary to their sectarian religious beliefs.

http://www.fsteiger.com/theory.html

It might prove helpful to understand the basics of the Scientific Method before you try to present an argument against it. This is stuff that was covered in 5th grade science class; do you recall the Science Fair?


125 posted on 08/05/2009 10:10:29 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

Wow...do you think there might be a cult de-programmer in your area Ira? Because you’re in sore need of deprogramming.

“Repeating the same fallacy over, and over again is not going to make it true”.

That’s what you were told.

Now just repeating this along with these multiple projections thrown in, well see that just makes you look even sillier. And trust me there wasn’t that much margin to begin with here for you!

“...clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts...”

Well that’s exactly right and that’s where the evo-cultists fall down on their faces and it’s why you people get so much grief...it’s that interpretation part Ira.

You see this latest monkey/lemur/whatever, what was it Lucy? you think this somehow is a “common ancestor” of Chrissy Fit Matthews...and although we’d LOVE to believe you, there simply isn’t any evidence to believe it...

but where it goes off the rails is when you libs fling poo at anyone and everyone that disagrees with your ...ahem...”interpretaions” and if that’s not enough...the poo flinging continues with “that’s not science”...and you think you own ALL the public money when you clearly don’t.

Frankly, you liberals are abject failures. On every front. The ideology, the methodolgy and above all the science.

A red flag goes up every time I hear peer review Ira.

You liberals have more than proven you can’t adequaely educate children, you just want to throw more and more money at an obvious black hole of a failure of public state run indoctrination centers, obviously hateful of all things Christian and conservative and normal folks have simply had enough of you Ira.

When I went to 5th grade science fair Ira, I learned more than you understand now, and the thing is...I wasn’t surrounded by liberal lunatics with so many God-hang-ups that they’ve been reduced to projecting their pathetic knowledge of science, so-called “peer review” and lack of intelligence on anyone and everyone that didn’t march lockstep with them and their fellow cultists.

But that was a time when I actually recognized the country too. So in some respects you liberals can be proud in a bizarre kind of way with all that liberal “success”: algore’s hot air cult, partial birth abortion...the science czar that thinks people aren’t people until they’re 2+ years old...and on and on...

BTW...it’s cute to quote Dawkins and his “give it 10 minutes”...but now you liberals REALLY impress us and put your money where your big mouth is for once Ira.

When liberals put up and shut up, give me a pingeroo Ira.

Otherwise, I’m not so impressed with your lack of knowledge, projections and evo-cult sham of peer review.

But DO keep quoting Dawkins by all means...but why not go all out and post some stuff by zerrhoid’s science czar while you’re letting all that liberalism glare! :)

Just let me sleep on it, and then I’ll pop some corn and get my sunglasses ready first!


132 posted on 08/05/2009 10:52:28 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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