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'Healthcare Reform': Lies, Corruption and Hunger for Power
03 August, 2009 | joanie-f

Posted on 08/03/2009 2:12:29 AM PDT by joanie-f

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To: joanie-f
The congresspeople don't seem afraid of threats to vote them out of office at the next election, for some strange reason.

They should realize that at some point the threats will be to hunt them down and dispatch them like the mad dogs they have become.

Even the Republicans who are using their face time to protest this bill are saying, "we've got to pass some kind of bill." Why? Can't they just vote "no"?

21 posted on 08/03/2009 6:33:51 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Minuteman23

Thanks for the kind words, MM. And I agree with your assessment of the average citizen’s Constitution savvy. :(

~ joanie


22 posted on 08/03/2009 7:04:56 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: PGalt

Thanks for the kind words, PG, and (even moreso) for the excellent Bastiat quote. I have it filed away for future use.

~ joanie


23 posted on 08/03/2009 7:06:18 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f

24 posted on 08/03/2009 7:07:23 AM PDT by paulycy (Liberal DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE crimes.)
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To: meadsjn
Even the Republicans who are using their face time to protest this bill are saying, "we've got to pass some kind of bill." Why? Can't they just vote "no"?

Amen!

That is the most maddening thing about this entire travesty. And it is something the leftists sneak by the 'conservatives' consistently. They start with a completely irrational, unacceptable bill, and then 'water it down' to something slightly less irrational, and just as unconstitutional, pat the 'conservatives' on the head, and brainwash them into believing they have won a victory.

Such victories lend new and grotesque dimension to the term 'Pyrrhic'!

None of these enormous bailouts should have been compromised either. Failing businesses should have been allowed to fail. People who cannot afford their homes should not have been granted the privilege of having others pay their mortgages at the point of a gun. And whatever is wrong with healthcare can be solved with far less than a complete government overhaul of the entire system.

But then how would the long-planned oligarchy be put in place? Aye, there's the rub.

Best to you and yours, meadsjn, in these troubling times ...

~ joanie

25 posted on 08/03/2009 7:14:51 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: paulycy
I like that picture just slightly better than this one:

~ joanie

26 posted on 08/03/2009 7:17:14 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: meadsjn
Even the Republicans who are using their face time to protest this bill are saying, "we've got to pass some kind of bill." Why? Can't they just vote "no"?

Collectivists of a feather...

27 posted on 08/03/2009 7:24:48 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: joanie-f
;0)


28 posted on 08/03/2009 7:28:48 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: paulycy

(I know when I've been bested.) :)

~ joanie

29 posted on 08/03/2009 7:56:33 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f
I know when I've been bested

Heck no! I liked your picture much better than the one I was using so I STOLE it. LOL!

30 posted on 08/03/2009 8:14:07 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: joanie-f
Your thoughts on this unconstitutional monstrosity are solicited.

Well, let me start with another, well done! If history holds any lessons, it's that if we as a nation are not yet lost, we will be soon enough. Our Founders, whether by accident, extreme effort or divine guidance, gave us a self governing document unequaled in human history. When our leaders, often with the tacit approval of an ill informed or complacent populace began using it to wipe their feet on, our fate was probably sealed.

If we are to recover our freedom, I'm very nearly convinced we will have to fight for it. We are no better than our Founders who were willing to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor; not so much for themselves but to create a new nation for those that would follow. Unless and until we are willing to take the same risks AND our leaders know it, we will never even have a chance at redemption. For my part, I'm preparing for whatever may come. May God help us.

31 posted on 08/03/2009 8:23:58 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST. Have I missed anything?)
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Some months back, Obama and Pelosi started calling the resistant Republicans "The Party of NO", as if it were derogatory.

A "Party of NO" is exactly what we need.

32 posted on 08/03/2009 8:25:43 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: ForGod'sSake
FGS, there is not a word you wrote with which I disagree, and you said it much better than I -- the state of America 2009 perfectly summed up in two short paragraphs.

Thank you for adding your eloquent (as always) insights, and best to you and yours as we face an uncertain future with proud memories of the America that once was.

~ joanie

33 posted on 08/03/2009 8:58:27 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: meadsjn
A "Party of NO" is exactly what we need.

If every republican would send just that one sentence to his senators and representatives we would at least be able to say we raised our voices in unison. Whether that would make one whit of difference in their votes is yet another matter.

~ joanie

34 posted on 08/03/2009 9:02:34 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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Thank you so very much for your excellent essay-post, dear joanie-f! I strongly agree that tort reform is the key to reducing health costs.


35 posted on 08/03/2009 9:21:51 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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Well written article, disastrous bill. I know people who have been laid off, and had they not been able to cut insurance costs, (had they been required to pay for their own, even with the subsidy), they would not have had food to put on the table.

Requiring people to carry *insurance* without permitting them to assess their own level of risk from health and other factors is another tax on the productivity of Americans, when the Government is doing all it can elsewise to hamper that productivity.

As for the Bill, and any other bill which is unnecessarily convoluted, complex, and which is overly broad in scope, it should be studied with careful scrutiny, not stuffed through Congress at warp speed.

The people who wrote this know what is in it, those who did not do not, and no on has time to consider the unforseen effects of the legislation.

Not only is there no Constitutional authority for the Federal Government to be (de facto) siezing yet another industry, but the haste involved is damning.

Further comment would likely get me in trouble..........

36 posted on 08/03/2009 9:28:48 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: joanie-f; Czar; Jeff Head; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; meadsjn; tet68; Smokin' Joe; TigersEye; ...
I found that the section apparently amends the Social Security Act, in that it offers a Medicare-covered ‘advanced care planning consultation’ every five years. Yet I cannot find anywhere in the section a reference to whether this ‘consultation’ is voluntary or mandatory (as some are reporting). It would seem to me that that stipulation is of some importance.

Oh, put money on it: It will be mandatory.

Call me "paranoid," but it appears to me the federal government has a massive conflict of interest in such a proposal. Just as the baby boom generation is retiring, they realize the Social Security Retirement System is about to implode as the Ponzi scheme that it ever was. So, start getting senior citizens primed to consider their "end of life decisions" as early as, say age 60 or 65 — force them to do it, in fact. They must be "trained" to contemplate their own mortality, and so educated, will be more likely to accept the reasons government bureaucrats will give later on for withholding life-preserving medications and treatments after a certain (unspecified) age. In this way, Social Security Retirement beneficiaries can be "hustled" off the roles sooner rather than later, by "helping" them die sooner than they otherwise would. This is the cost "society" must pay to keep the retirement system financially strong.

Of course, this entire monstrosity of "healthcare reform" is completely unconstitutional. It is also thoroughly Orwellian in concept.

Speaking as a taxpayer, I am sick and tired of being on the hook for the costs of unconstitutional legislation. My naïve idea is that, as a taxpayer, I am only obligated to pay for things that are warranted by the Constitution. And yet the bill is being sent to me and future generations for things that the Constitution does not authorize. Which is just about everything the Obama Administration, with the collusion of the most radically progressive Congress I've ever seen in my life, has been doing and is doing.

Dear joanie, I also notice the extreme reluctance of the Washington political class to take trial lawyers to account as a major source of upward pricing pressure in the healthcare industry. Tort reform would have a major impact on cost reduction — but no one in Washington wants to touch it. It's sort of become its own little untouchable "third rail," like Social Security: A politician touches it at his own peril.

This entire healthcare reform is just a mendacious, untransparent, cobbled-together, half-baked, inane house of cards. Plus there's simply no way that the American people can afford it, both from a financial and a liberty standpoint. There simply isn't enough money in the world to pay for it. Our nation is under the control of a gang of criminal thugs, liars, cheaters, stealers, pillagers.... Anyone up for a good "tar and feathering?" :^)

They will be stopped, because they must be stopped. The question is: How?

Thanks so very much, dear joanie, for your marvelous essay!

37 posted on 08/03/2009 9:58:30 AM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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They will be stopped, because they must be stopped. The question is: How?

"Upon what meat has this our Caesar fed, that he has become so great?"
Julius Caesar - Shakespeare

We all know how it ended for Caesar.

38 posted on 08/03/2009 10:33:42 AM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: betty boop
Call me "paranoid," but it appears to me the federal government has a massive conflict of interest in such a proposal. Just as the baby boom generation is retiring, they realize the Social Security Retirement System is about to implode as the Ponzi scheme that it ever was. So, start getting senior citizens primed to consider their "end of life decisions" as early as, say age 60 or 65 — force them to do it, in fact. They must be "trained" to contemplate their own mortality, and so educated, will be more likely to accept the reasons government bureaucrats will give later on for withholding life-preserving medications and treatments after a certain (unspecified) age. In this way, Social Security Retirement beneficiaries can be "hustled" off the roles sooner rather than later, by "helping" them die sooner than they otherwise would. This is the cost "society" must pay to keep the retirement system financially strong.

If you are paranoid, then so am I because I very strongly agree that this provision is not only about encouraging people to die soon to keep universal healthcare affordable, but also to avoid the financial crisis of society security which will occur as the baby boomer generation retires.

I predict a strong backlash against the Democrats when the baby boomers finally wake up to this.

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

39 posted on 08/03/2009 10:51:33 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Tort reform is vital to decreasing health care costs, but a real conflict of interest in the entire health care picture stems from the ability of the Federal Government to regulate every aspect of health care, even though that ability is usurped.

Doctors in this area have had to add extra staff and work far longer hours to keep up with the paperwork requirements imposed by HIPAA and other Federal requirements.

For us, in a community which boomed recently when oil activity in the region increased, this translates to longer waits to get in to see a physician, and to doctors who are getting burned out trying to deal with the increased workload--which means there is/will be an inevitable decline in the quality of care.

When you are in business against a competitor with unlimited financial backing (which is what the government is/will be) and who can set all the rules by which things are done, you are doomed.

What's more, the government can extract payment at gunpoint if necessary through the imposition of taxes and fees on the people.

People are mad, but we haven't seen anything yet, because so many still think they will benefit from the programs.

That is a sad comment on the character of the American populace, when the day has been carried because people think they will get the freebies in such numbers they voted for these goons. They are beginning to wake up.

Some will come out better, (the parasite class traditionally has).

Others were promised long ago that certain programs would be there if they allowed the government to sieze part of their pay, and the absence of promised reforms of those programs has ensured their eventual catastrophic failure.

The bottom line is, that one way or another, we will all pay for those failures, in money, pain, and life lost.

Personally, I am trying to learn every medicinal herb in this area and their uses, because that might be what we are down to in a few years--especially if the government is making plans to kill us off.

I figured they would just devalue the currency to skate out of the Social Security debt. Silly me. It looks like the plan is to kill us off instead.

Ironic, really, when you consider all the pap about quitting smoking and getting in shape, life is just beginning at 50, yaddayaddayadda, when the next step is to deny us access to a doctor when we need one.

40 posted on 08/03/2009 11:20:18 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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