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Cash for Clunkers: Well, since that worked out so well..."
Townhall.com ^ | August 2, 2009 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 08/02/2009 4:36:24 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: yldstrk
......and then take the still working, still running, still decent trade ins and put glass in their engines and run them till they are ruined ......

The Nazis had their book burnings and the Obama Socialists have vehicle destructions!!!

21 posted on 08/02/2009 5:34:54 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: screaminsunshine; All
What truly galls me is that many of those cars aren't “junkers.” Instead they're completely functional, older cars, many of which could probably be driven another 100,000 miles before being scrapped. For example, several years ago I helped an elderly cousin of mine sell a completely functional Honda Accord that was 8 or 10 years old for $3,000. It went to a college student who was able to use it for reliable transportation for a number of years. Multiply this by thousands and the Government is really sticking it to lower income citizens by denying them reliable, inexpensive transportation.

Even worse, the most valuable parts of the purchased vehicles, their engines and transmissions, are destroyed, eliminating an economical source of spare parts for other vehicles. This is the first time I've seen deliberate vandalism and wanton destruction of valuable resources that are particularly useful to low income people enshrined as national policy.

22 posted on 08/02/2009 5:38:15 AM PDT by libstripper (LWOP)
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To: duckman
Callers on the Mike McConnel show, paraphrase 3 callers: 1) I traded in my 04’ PT Cruiser with 75K which got 23 mpg for a 09 PT Cruiser that received 26 mpg. 2) My company shreds cars. We are shredding perfectly good autos. A relatively new Lincoln Continental with only 30k. The list goes on. Surely some one can use it. 3)Some cars we are shredding have not been disabled, (chemicals in the trans and engine causing them to ‘freeze’ ). They are like brand new and could be driven off the lot. What a waste of tax payer money. DUCKMAN
This is BS - 1) The PT Cruiser does not even come close to qualifying for the program, has to be 18 mpg or worse mileage. 2) A "relatively new" Lincoln with 30k is worth a lot more than $4500, why would you take that for it and why wouldn't the dealer talk you out of it if you were stupid enough to do that. Also I know someone who owns a car recycling business (junkyard) and he LOVES the program - he is getting paid to take the cars, he is allowed to strip many parts (no engine or drive train), and he does have extra paperwork to prove the cars are not used again. 3) Again- cars that are "brand new" being traded in - COMPLETE BS. I'm tired of people making up stories like this, have seen the same thing on news this morning. As much as I dislike Bam Bam, I don't see anything wrong with this program except for the overall using tax money for the "stimulus". This is one small part of that program that IS actually working. I have seen dealers complaining on TV that they don't have their money yet, too much paperwork, etc. The program has been running ONE WEEK, why the hell would they expect to have their money yet? I used the program (traded in a car with 280K and got 4500 toward a new Toyota). Yes, there was paperwork, and I'm sure that the dealers have even more than I saw, but everything I saw was to ensure fraud wasn't being committed - copies of registration certificates and insurance certificates needed, carfax reports run to ensure the car was never totaled, etc. Bottom line - these dealers that are bitching and moaning are still using the program (with very few exceptions) and the showrooms are packed with customers. These dealers are complaining all the way to the bank.

23 posted on 08/02/2009 5:39:12 AM PDT by AUH2O Repub (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Kaslin

One possible silver lining of this Trotskyist plot is that ordinary citizens will see radical, redistributionist, liberalism up close.


24 posted on 08/02/2009 5:44:14 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: freedumb2003

And yet it’s still less than the porkulus bill.


25 posted on 08/02/2009 5:47:21 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: duckman

What a waste of tax payer money

I liken it to the wanton and willful destruction of military equipment bought and paid for by the labor of the American people. There should be no way for such destruction to take place, unless parting out, or salvage price is more than the sale price to the American people. Perfectly good jeeps will not be cut in half, weapons will not be rendered inoperative, except for nuclear of course, perfectly good aircraft will not be chopped up for salvage.


26 posted on 08/02/2009 5:49:31 AM PDT by wita
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To: libstripper

Right but this is a Government Program. Logic is irrelevent. This is just another attempt to prop up the falling house of cards. The way I see it. We are like the twin Towers on 9/11. Both planes have hit and we are burning. The only question is WHEN the collapse will occur and how many of us can escape. I am PLANNING on the collapse. I only hope my escape is successful.


27 posted on 08/02/2009 5:51:17 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: screaminsunshine

“I propose a new type ATM. All you have to do is push a button and free money is dispensed. The economy would BOOM. Obama could put one in every store. Put it right before the checkout line.”
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The Obamanoughts would probably go for that but you would have to spend six hours filling out forms to get fifty dollars in “free” money.


28 posted on 08/02/2009 5:51:22 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: Kaslin
There are many people in this country that can only afford a used car...they in effect relay on the natural churning of the automobile market place to be able to buy a car someone else traded in because they could afford a newer car. Now how are these people going to be helped by this program since the government is intentionality destroying the very types of car they relay on? I predict, two years from now liberal tears about all the poor that cannot get a car because of the shortage of low-priced used cars.
29 posted on 08/02/2009 5:55:10 AM PDT by Bull Man
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To: RipSawyer

True we need to streamline the program. How about internet downloads. We could go to a printer freindly version for 20’s 50’s and 1,000,000 Federal Reserve notes and print up our own free money. Kinkos could do it for those who do not have computers.


30 posted on 08/02/2009 5:55:56 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Man50D

“It is only a means to achieve their goal of complete domination.”
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I think you are absolutely correct! My next thought is to ask what kind of a dead soul lives for no other purpose than to gain power over others even if the result is to make us all live in a hell on Earth? These people are ghouls.


31 posted on 08/02/2009 5:56:16 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: Kaslin

The Toyota dealer across the street from my house has their cash for clunkers turn-ins parked at the empty lot next door. It’s very sad and depressing, and makes me very angry, at least 60 cars that look very new, usuable are being destroyed. I took pics and sent them to the local paper. More people should try to do this - get pics for evidence, I can’t believe that the greenie/recycle party is promoting the destruction of perfectly good vehicles.


32 posted on 08/02/2009 6:01:18 AM PDT by TiredofItalltoo (tiredofitalltoo)
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To: Kaslin

oh, not to mention, i did a driveby survey of all the dealers in my neighborhood, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Dodge/Chrysler, Chevy on Saturday. All of the customers were at Toyota. All of the SCIONS are gone (completely built in Japan). Just who’s economy did we help? Oh, I also read a blogger that said they went to get the deal and tried to pay cash for the balance. They told this person the deal only applied to “financed” deals. What’s up with that?


33 posted on 08/02/2009 6:03:48 AM PDT by TiredofItalltoo (tiredofitalltoo)
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To: libstripper

“Multiply this by thousands and the Government is really sticking it to lower income citizens by denying them reliable, inexpensive transportation.”
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Not just low income people, I have a relative who is VERY well off, he won’t show up in fortune magazine but he is one of those who has retired very comfortably. He makes a lot of trips from Kannapolis, NC to Myrtle Beach and he made many of those trips in a Honda Accord that he bought used for $2000.00. It ran like a new car, I don’t know if he still has it but that sort of cost cutting is one of the reasons he is financially as comfortable as he is.


34 posted on 08/02/2009 6:08:19 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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To: Sacajaweau
I need some other number.

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Our "award-winning" "mainstream" news media does not want "average" Americans to know too many details.

I looked up the numbers of annual sales in America and found on the website of NADA National Automobile Dealers Association that 16.1 million "light duty vehicles" were sold in 2007, and 13 million in 2008.

So let us say that without any government programs of 'stimulus' at least 10 million vehicles would have been sold this year.

That works out to almost 200,000 vehicles every week.

U.S. Auto Sales May Reach 2009 High on ‘Clunkers’ Aid

July 31 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. auto sales may reach a 2009 high in July after the government’s $1 billion “cash-for- clunkers” incentives program lured shoppers back to showrooms.

Industrywide deliveries will run at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 10.1 million cars and light trucks, based on 7 analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. Sales will fall 24 percent at General Motors Co., 33 percent at Chrysler Group LLC and 6.1 percent at Ford Motor Co., according to 6 estimates.

A sales rate matching the analysts’ projections may signal a possible bottom to the worst slump in demand since at least 1976. Buyers drained most of the initial “clunkers” funding in less than a week, spurring the U.S. House to approve an emergency measure today to add $2 billion more.

“The incentives coupled with already high car company discounts have put a new automobile within reach of consumers that would have shopped for a used vehicle,” said Joe Barker, an analyst at consultant CSM Worldwide Inc. in Northville, Michigan.

Automakers report July sales on Aug. 3. The results will show the industry suffered its 21st consecutive month of declines. A 10.1 million annual rate would be 19 percent less than a year earlier.

35 posted on 08/02/2009 6:08:21 AM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: libstripper

I agree with you completely. Plus, in exchange for removing affordable “pre-owned” cars from the market, the govt is putting the new buyers into loans that they would not necessarily be wanting to make this summer.

Next summer I foresee a government plan to pay many of these loans so that the car dealers are not forced to repossess many of these ‘new’ cars.

Because I own a dearly loved 1993 car, I received a letter from a local dealership that I was eligible for one of these subsidies. All I could think of was the waste of advertising dollars for the dealer - and the bonus for whatever advertising company which made money on this fancy mailer.


36 posted on 08/02/2009 6:14:25 AM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kaslin

The reason cash for clunkers is so popular is that it’s the only initiative the Obama Administration will allow that puts money in the pockets of mom & pop. The rest of the stimulus only puts money in the hands of bureaucrats.


37 posted on 08/02/2009 6:21:28 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: TiredofItalltoo

” They told this person the deal only applied to “financed” deals. What’s up with that? “

Is this true?? I had not heard of it until now....

Something definitely rotten, here.....


38 posted on 08/02/2009 6:26:20 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike

the only thing I can think of is the stimulus money only applies to the poor - if you can afford to pay cash for a car then you don’t qualify


39 posted on 08/02/2009 6:31:38 AM PDT by TiredofItalltoo (tiredofitalltoo)
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To: Kaslin

I respect my fellow citizens too much to take advantage of them. I respect the engineering and labor that went into building my “clunker” too much to allow the feds to destroy it. The clunker BTW runs fine. This government is bent upon destruction. They have not the intellect to build.


40 posted on 08/02/2009 6:37:42 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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