Not sure if it's relevant. Also, sorry I pinged to you but I couldn't figure out how to just reply to the post without actually pinging someone.
Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Is Drudge on vacation this week? Or is it just that slow of a news cycle?
True, and when you say replaced, I believe some may need that clarified; The 1790 Act was a mistake, and replaced with a specific acknowledgment that the use of “natural born citizen” was incorrect.
Bumping for Post 6048
Very illuminating.
With the personal account and the verifications being reported behind the scenes, the certificate appears to be valid.
If you'd like to see dramatic evidence of politics at work, take a look at Wikipedia’s comments about Arthur and about natural born citizenship. Wikipedia considers even the jus soli (born of the soil) requirement to be a “minority opinion”. Fortunately, there remains the written word, until Acorn is ordered to burn politically treasonous books such as the Law of Nations.
No. All those presidents were born of citizen parents. Just because the parents were born outside the U.S. doesn’t mean they weren’t citizens! That has only recently become the practice, where health care, education, free trips to visit the relatives, and automatic citizenship for the babies made it profitable not to become a citizen.
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Once again, the 1790 Act was an acknowledged mistake.
Before it was ever tested by a case it was entirely replaced by the 1795 act with no mention of natural born citizen.
LOL! “Chained Heat” for the Birther in all of us!
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Patrick Leahy, Hillary Clinton, Clair McGaskill, Barack Obama, trying to insure that John McCain was treated as eligible (he wasn't) so that the Republicans wouldn't dare raise the issue of Obama’s reputed father, signed Senate Res 511, where “born of citizen parents” was repeated again and again. There were at least two other resolutions. The Republicans were trapped by the media, who made McCain a pretend favorite, and Dems who generously held hearings to say, in effect, how unfair it would be if former POW, and McCain-Feingold sponsor couldn't run just because of an antiquated document called the constitution. There have been at least 24 attempts to amend Article II natural born, some only a few years old. It was not changed so the most effective policy, when someone you want to run for president is ineligible, is to pretend the founders didn't mean what they said, or quote those who want to change it but can't find the votes. That is the clever ploy used by Obama to put the criterion right out in the open where it wouldn't occur to most that there was anything wrong.
But you can bet our lawmakers knew, and our courts knew, even Ginsberg, who heard a case in 2001 where the definition was spelled out for her, and not challenged. Our originalist justices know, and most judges know, even Michael Chertoff, who repeated the jus languinis - both parents citizens - requirement when commenting on the record about Senate Res. 511.
Good points...
We dont know when she and Obama Sr actually went to Kenya...
They were “married” in February, supposedly in Hawaii...
She was 3 months pregnant...a new bride who had not yet met her in laws...
Did they go to Kenya during the summer, when Obama Sr had no classes ???
He came back and went to the mainland for graduate school...
She did not mention him to friends...
he never mentioned her to friends either while they dated or after they were “married” or her or the baby had been born...
He never showed his son off to his friends in Hawaii or passed out cigars
Strange behavior for an American father, bizarre for a Moslem...
was the intention to stay in Kenya for the birth or to come back and they dilly dallied until she could not fly ???
They may have gone by boat too...common still in 1961..
But for her to get back to Washington state so soon, she must have flown..
Why go to Washington state by herself and without Obama Sr ???
You may be right about the unplanned birth in Kenya, because it appears she paniced and called her Mom who instead of telling the Hawaii registrar that Obama Jr had been born in Kenya, lied instead and gave a phony address..
This was not a feeble old lady who made a mistake...
Madelyn was about 40 and a bank president at the time...
and had friends in the govt offices where it mattered..
I saved a copy of the Aussie bc. Saw some comments from people who noticed that the typed letters aren’t distorted when they fall over the creases. Very true.
Noticed something even more obvious by zooming in an image program. Looked at the lines, especially the horizontal lines. They pass over the creases with no distortion at all - dead straight. No way they look right to me. They also just don’t look right period. The horizontal lines don’t cross over or under the vertical ones, they stop at the vertical line without touching it (not always but mostly) and then continue on the other side of the vertical line in a slightly different horizontal alignment.
Speculating on why these odd breaks in the horizontal lines occur, one might guess that the whole document was created on a suitably aged blank piece of paper. Maybe on the back side of some old document given that the creases are the reverse of what I would create folding a sheet of paper to put in an envelope. That would also explain why the creases in this document don’t resemble the ones in the Kenyan document. Just a guess.
Could someone else who saved it have a look at these points and offer an opinion?
I’d have to vote fake on this doc and believe it was created after the Kenyan one for O’Bummer was made public.
The biggest problem with the Kenyan document is the ‘4s. 6d.’ (4 shillings and 6 pence) in the top left-hand corner. However, as a discussion on the other thread pointed out, Kenya uses (and used) cents not pence. Unless there is an explanation for this then, regardless of the status of the Bomford certificate, the Kenyan document must be a forgery and remains ‘out of action’.
but what was it in between those dates? Non-existent? seems like there must have been some name for it.Most likely Republic of Kenya.
WND has other Kenyan BCs from the same period. These people are being careful.
Now what is this interview with Bomford? This guy says it is his real BC? Has anyone heard or read this interview?
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2646009.htm
I have always assumed it was Madelyn Dunham who registered Anna’s children with the State of Hawaii.
However I believe the birth announcements to be fraudulent, just like the selective service card is fraudulent. The Democrats have no scruples, lots of true believing supporters, and had plenty of time.
Not sure if it's relevant. Also, sorry I pinged to you but I couldn't figure out how to just reply to the post without actually pinging someone.
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