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To: Star Traveler
There is a bit of *insanity* involved with some in this group, when saying that Obama has to show them his birth certificate. For the first thing, they cannot even recognize that there is *no legal requirement* for a candidate to show his birth certificate

You're correct, there is no law requiring him or anyone to show their birth certificate to become President.

There is however a legal, Constitutional, requirement that he be a natural born citizen. If sufficient evidence can be obtained tending to cast doubt on his natural born status (Like his book which says his father was a British national at the time of his birth), to cast doubt on his and the DNC's affidavits, then a Court can order a birth certificate be produced to prove that he is indeed natural born. If his BC shows his father to be the Kenyan national Barack Hussien Obama, as he says it does, or shows that he was born outside the US of a non US Citizen father, then he's probably not natural born in the first case, and definitely not in the later case. On the basis of that evidence, and arguments for both sides, the Court would rule on that question, one way or the other. Then it would be appealed, one way or the other. Likely the Supreme Court would rule regardless of the original and appellate decisions, one way or the other.

517 posted on 08/04/2009 9:19:34 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

No one has been advocating disregarding the Constitution, so that’s one very good thing. The Constitution says what the candidate must *be* and then it’s up to the officials to carry out the “methodology” of determining that.

Now, the conflict here is that people here have said that they want a “methodology” of “seeing the birth certificate” while the officials have simply (and with all candidates in the past) had them sign and swear an oath they are *are* what the Constitution says that they must *be* — and that is their “methodology”...

The Constitution doesn’t have a “methodology” prescribed, but merely says what the candidate must *be*...

And here’s the Constitution for you...., the *basics* of the Constitution on this qualifications issue...

And yes, there is a Constitution, it’s to follow — and here is what it says, in regards to qualifications. The Constitution says that a candidate must be the following in order to qualify for the office. The candidate must ...

*be* 35 years or older
*be* a resident 14 years or more
*be* a natural born citizen

And Obama has sworn under oath that he *is* (as the Constitution says he must *be*)...

It does not say what is necessary to show it, prove it or what any means for “vetting” is. That’s up to the states themselves to vet and make sure that the candidates meet the qualifications.

And what they have done is sworn an oath that they are qualified..., Obama has, the other candidates have and they have in the past...

And in addition the State of Hawaii says that he *is* exactly what the Constitution says he must *be*...

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‘i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

This shows that there is no Constitutional issue or question. So, when there is no Constitutional issue at problem here with the Qualifications for office, why would the Supreme Court get involved? Which is why they didn’t get involved.

And if you want to get Obama to show his birth certificate, you’re going to have to get a state law to that effect, which is what I’ve been proposing since the election.

And you’ll notice that no one is saying to ignore the Constitution...


And so, I’ve got a pretty basic position mapped out for myself. It breaks down into three areas...

(1) I’m going to go by the official Hawaii pronouncement, unless something solid comes up (in a court of law) that disproves it.
(2) Since everyone wants to see the birth certificate, I’m going to continue to work for enacting a state law for that purpose (Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Azrizona already working on it).
(3) The issue of natural born, as far as parents and their citizenship, I’m going to let the Supreme Court decide on it and I’ll take their decision.

That’s where it boils down for me right now...


518 posted on 08/04/2009 9:24:05 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: El Gato
And just in general and for sake of "filling out the information" regarding this "birth certificate issue" -- one also has the *method* that many of the states have chosen in their own laws and requirements to vet the candidates. It's the same process that they've used for quite a long while in the past, all the way up to this present candidate and President...

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1703




519 posted on 08/04/2009 9:26:45 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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