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1 posted on 08/01/2009 4:15:37 AM PDT by nathanbedford
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Superb post!


2 posted on 08/01/2009 4:22:35 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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The kicker would be that Obama signed documents saying that he was eligible.

I guess that is democratic honesty.


3 posted on 08/01/2009 4:24:45 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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Great post! We are sitting on top of the scandal of the century!


4 posted on 08/01/2009 4:25:39 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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Thank you my friend. Well stated.


5 posted on 08/01/2009 4:27:34 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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This article is excellent work.

Thank you for writing and posting it.

6 posted on 08/01/2009 4:32:53 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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It is time for the Birther movement to articulate a broader rationale for their demands that Obama produce his birth certificate. They should not be grounded alone in arguments that he is not a natural born citizen, but that he has concealed every significant document which records any part of his life since the time of his birth.

I actually think this has been happening for some time.

It certainly has on FR where many of us are basically agnostic vis a vis Obama's birthplace but believe it is obvious that that Birth Certificate and the rest of the hidden records will tell a tale that will be extremely damaging to Obama and the Democrat Party. But that fact is NOT going to be picked up by the MSM who need to focus on the Hawaii vs. Kenya issue to make their point that we are all a bunch of kooks. That case can be made in a semi-believable fashion and so that is going to continue to be the basis for the MSM stories. I really don't think there is much we can do about that.

OTOH, that should not stop us from making the broader point: WHO IS THIS GUY? It will take longer for that issue to settle in on the American public unless there is a miracle and the MSM picks up the theme. I don't expect that to happen so I anticipate a long grind on the issue.

Let the grinding begin.

7 posted on 08/01/2009 4:36:30 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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I have long maintained that it IS a Constitutional issues and as such, should not be ignored. It was a crime that it was ignored in the primary process and before that, the vetting process. I do not, and have not ever thought the issue would amount to anything, but I view it instead as one more of a thousand cuts on many fronts that should be inflicted on this abortion of a President.

As I stated in a previous thread, the framers of the Constitution placed that citizenship restriction on the office of the Presidency for good and specific reasons. They did not place it there simply as a student might pad a book report with verbiage to reach 1000 words.

The military, police and fire departments have very specific processes and procedures that must be followed, sometimes to the point of near absurdity. The reason this is so is because they are written in blood. Those processes were implemented as a result of tears, pain and blood.

So it is with the Constitution. We of Today have a conceit that somehow everything is new under the sun. It isn't. Every situation, emotion or conflict has a direct analog to those faced by the Founding Fathers. Sure, they didn't have cloning or the Internet, but the point stands.

Those things that are in the Constitution are significant. There is no waste. It is a remarkable document, and every bit as relevant today as it was in 1788.

In closing, it is an excellent thread you have written, NB. Good writers always know how to put an exclamation point at the end of a statement correctly, as you have done:

"The summons to produce a birth certificate in accordance with the constitutional mandate is but a metaphor for the call to govern in accordance with the Constitution.

8 posted on 08/01/2009 4:39:38 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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* Actual long-form birth certificate (NOT an easily-forged electronic copy of a short-form document that is not even officially accepted in Hawaii)
* Passport files
* University of Chicago Law School scholarly articles
* Harvard Law Review articles
* Harvard Law School records
* Columbia University records
* Columbia University senior thesis, “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament”
* Occidental College records, including financial aid that he may have received
* Punahou School records, where Mr. Obama attended from the fifth grade until he finished high school
* Noelani Elementary School records, where Barack Obama attended kindergarten (according to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register — but parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country)
* Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004
* Obama’s client list from during his time in private practice with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard
* Illinois State Bar Association records
* Baptism records
* Obama/Dunham marriage license
* Obama/Dunham divorce documents
* Soetoro/Dunham marriage license
* Soetero/Dunham Adoption records

... and one other ...
Why does Obama need 39 Social Security Numbers?


9 posted on 08/01/2009 4:39:53 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (thirst for absolute power is the natural disease of monarchy - Thomas Paine)
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Thank you for taking the time to write this superb piece.

As a mental exercise- I've tried to put myself in the position of defending Obama in this case. It's when I do this that I'm forced to concede the opposition- those who demand an explanation, are well within the bounds of reason and legitimacy by asking these questions. Twice this week we've seen liberal bloggers begin this questioning process.

From your piece:

It is time for the Birther movement to articulate a broader rationale for their demands that Obama produce his birth certificate. They should not be grounded alone in arguments that he is not a natural born citizen, but that he has concealed every significant document which records any part of his life since the time of his birth.

This, is THE crux of the matter and begs for answers.

10 posted on 08/01/2009 4:43:39 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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Excellent article. I agree as can be seen here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2305060/posts?page=119#119


11 posted on 08/01/2009 4:48:12 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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One unanswered question leads to another question. It certainly seems as if he is hiding things from the public.


12 posted on 08/01/2009 4:48:33 AM PDT by FreedBird
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It behooves us to make the record clear before that happens that the demand for Obama's birth certificate and the rest of his Life's documents is justified for compelling reasons of good government quite independent from the argument that he is not a natural born citizen.

Well said.

And it won't hurt to point out that the birther thing is a Dem idea.

13 posted on 08/01/2009 4:52:23 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Jim Thompson!)
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"Nathan, we need to talk"
14 posted on 08/01/2009 5:04:35 AM PDT by jla
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To: NormsRevenge; Billthedrill; Coldwater Creek; kitkat; skr; fanfan; exit82; processing please hold; ..

This is a one and only one ping from my old “Mrs don-o prayer list” (the largest one I have), because this vanity post deserves a wide reading.


15 posted on 08/01/2009 5:06:10 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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usually I poo-poo vanities, but well done well written


16 posted on 08/01/2009 5:09:07 AM PDT by Americanwolf ("How could they not tell they had a friggin 70 foot whale hanging off their bow?" ---Tijeras_slim)
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To: Jim Robinson; holdonnow; roaddog727; STARWISE; penelopesire; Bahbah; Miss Didi; LucyT; ...

Don’t miss this terrific piece :)


19 posted on 08/01/2009 5:17:40 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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I do not care where he was born... release all of his records and rescind his executive order sealing his past away from Americans. There is far more to this LFBC than actual place of birth... and that piece of paper that will NEVER see the light of day has the beginning of the end of hussama printed on it... What it is I do not know. It is obvious hussama knows very well!

LLS

22 posted on 08/01/2009 5:30:28 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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Well written. Thank you for taking the time put all that together, and share it with us.


24 posted on 08/01/2009 5:37:01 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Damn the naysayers. Full speed ahead. ~ Þ)
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The birth certificate issue is silly if he was, as assumed by most, born in Hawaii. But he may not be able to access his original BC because it is sealed and only accessible per court order due to a later adoption BC.

Maya Soetoro Ng, Barack Obama’s half-sister, stated in an interview that her entire family IS Muslim and that her father adopted Barack before the family moved to Indonesia. That seems pretty clear, as especially a recent bit of info came my way that Stanley Ann D. Soetoro naturalized as an Indonesian citizen and converted to Islam. This is hardly the kind of family background a candidate for President wants made public during an election.

However some things about this issue perhaps aren’t as innocent as they should be, and an Obama ‘disciple’ traveled to Indonesia and struck a faustian deal with the Indonesian government in exchange for documents and photographs of Barack Obama/Barry Soetoro and his family.

U.S.Congressman Eni Faleomavaega traveled to Jakarta, Indonesia, on July 3, 2007¹ , for a private meeting with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Barnabas Suebu, the governor of the Indonesian Province of Papua. The Congressman was seeking their assistance in supporting Barack Obama’s presidential campaign as well as collecting documents, records, and photographs of Barack Obama and visiting the schools he attended as a child.

“Officials” who accompanied Faleomamaega offered cash, and lots of it, for documents and photographs of the young Obama, then known as Barry Soetoro, and those of his family. The Congressman acquired the cooperation of the Indonesian government by promising a “change” in the way the U.S. would deal with the Indonesian government’s persecution of West Papua’s Christian population² once Barack Obama was President.

What was so important about those photographs and documents that they were worth the suffering of West Papuans? This information comes from ‘Obama: Throwing Papua Under The Bus’, by An American Expat in Southeast Asia - Larry Martin http://www.laotze.blogspot.com/

I suspect that the adoption BC is the document that Obama wants to hide. It gives his legal name, Barry Soetoro, and that his parents are Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann D. Soetoro. It indicates that Indonesia is important in the lives and history of Obama’s immediate family and he doesn’t want any of it made public.

As for Obama’s ‘Muslim faith’, of that I have no doubt. His book, ‘The Audacity of Hope’, has a title in Indonesian no Christian would ever consider - ‘Jihad: From Jakarta To The White House’.


25 posted on 08/01/2009 5:39:16 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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The summons to produce a birth certificate in accordance with the constitutional mandate is but a metaphor for the call to govern in accordance with the Constitution.

In a nutshell!

Now, counting down to the appearance on this thread of the cafeteria Constitutionalists who urge us to "move one" because birthers are damaging conservatism...
29 posted on 08/01/2009 5:44:26 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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