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To: Danae
I said that just because he had a Hawaii COLB that did not prove his NBC status, and did not mean he was actually born in the islands. All that COLB says is that he has Hawaiian papers.

No so. The COLB, Certificate of Live Birth, states where and when Obama was born, and to whom as parents.

According to the COLB his birth was on August 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Dunham.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg

"It does not mean he was born there" - If the COLB is valid, it means he *was* born in Honolulu. You need to look at the COLB photograph. The only thing you have correct about it is that it doesnt prove/assert 'natural-born citizen' directly, since it says nothing about citizenship on the form.

"He is constitutionally ineligible. By his own admission." Um, he's never said he was ineligible, and there is no constitutional ruling that forbids those with dual citizenship from being natural-born citizens. To the contrary, there are numerous cases/instances in law where that situation has been recognized (See eg Perkins v Elg).

864 posted on 07/31/2009 5:32:58 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: WOSG

Would you say that it is settled, definitively that anyone born on US soil is a Natural Born citizen or is there still something that needs to be done to settle it once and for all?


865 posted on 07/31/2009 5:57:57 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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To: WOSG

Sorry you are wrong. Hawaii routinely allowed the late filing of birth registrations. They also did not require any sort of proof other than a witness signature of a birth that took place in a “home” Because of that, you can not tell if Obama was born on the island with out releasing the records that prove it.

Those are the same records Obama refuses to release.

Your argument fails on the substance. All the COLB says is what someone told it to, which could have been changed with an Amended filing. That amended filing could have been done and filed as late as the day before Obama requested his 2007 COLB.

The only way to know is to see the Original and any subsequent Amendments in his full records.


866 posted on 07/31/2009 6:01:39 PM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: WOSG

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/newbirthcert.html

Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?

As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:

* A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and

1. has become legally adopted, or
2. has undergone a sex change operation, or
3. a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
4. previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.

* A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.

How to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth

For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and has become legally adopted

* An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of a certified copy of a final adoption decree or an abstract of the decree, and after payment of any fees.

For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and has undergone a sex change operation:

* An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of an affidavit of a physician that the physician has examined the individual and determined that the individual has had a sex change operation and the sex designation on the individual’s birth certificate is no longer correct, subject to further investigation and submission of additional information if deemed necessary, and payment of fees.

For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made:

* An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of a final order, judgment, or decree of a court of competent jurisdiction that determined the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file and the person, and payment of any fees.

For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law:

* An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of an affidavit of paternity, a court order establishing paternity, or a certificate of marriage establishing the marriage of the natural parents to each other, and payment of any fees.

For a person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii:

* An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of a certified copy of the adoption decree or the certificate of adoption, and payment of fees.

Note: Any additional application forms that may be required will be provided by the Department of Health after receipt of the necessary documents in support of the establishment of an amended certificate of birth.
Further Information and Assistance

To obtain more information about applying for an amended certificate of birth, you may:

1. Send a written letter of inquiry to:

State Department of Health
Office of Health Status Monitoring
Registration/Vital Statistics Section
P.O. Box 3378
Honolulu, HI 96801

- or -
2. For information on an amended certificate of birth, call (808) 586-4541 during regular business hours (7:45 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. HST).


867 posted on 07/31/2009 6:27:16 PM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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