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To: dmz

Regarding: “Forced sterilization is not a tenet of evolution. Your attempt to make it appear so is disingenuous”

I don’t know what GodGutsGuns is attempting to imply, but what I wonder about materialistic evolution (the idea that the universe “evolved” by a non-designed, ramdom, purposeless process outside the control of any diety or supernatural influence) is:

- Assuming you hold a materialistic evolutionary view, if materialistic evolution is true, isn’t “morality” also part of the purposeless, random process?


13 posted on 07/30/2009 11:05:56 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Nevadan

Assuming you hold a materialistic evolutionary view, if materialistic evolution is true, isn’t “morality” also part of the purposeless, random process?
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Well, I do tend towards materialist (philosophically speaking) thought, and have publically outed myself as one of a handful of remaining admitted secular humanist freepers. At the same time, I consider myself agnostic, raised in the church (sang in the choir), but fell away as I got older.

It is a popularly held position on the crevo threads that capital M morality must involve a transcendant God.

I don’t necessarily agree.

A quick look at the 10 commandments is enough to drive the point home for me.

1-4 have nothing to do with ‘morality’. They are about obedience to God, which provides a control mechanism for that society, as in ‘break the rules and God will deal with you, and He can be a vengeful God’.

5-10 read like a primer on how men and women in a society have to deal with one another in order for that society to remain viable. In other words, society developed to the point where they had learned enough about living together that the leaders codified the ‘rules’, which we call morality, and God is the enforcer.

Morality is a social construct of an evolved species, not the rules handed down by a transcendant God.

Now, I shall go don my kevlar undies for the anticipated responses.


14 posted on 07/30/2009 11:28:32 AM PDT by dmz
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