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To: 70times7
That is a very specific definition.

Agree. But has it ever been codified? It for sure doesn't spell it out in the Constitution. I mean we can read papers by the relevent authorities from the time frame when the Constitution was written and ratified but it isn't the same as there being a clear legal precedent to rely on.

Much of my argument rests on this obviously. If it has clearly been demonstrated (to quote myself) in the past, this is a relevent precedent. I don't believe it ever has though. And because of this I don't believe the issue is clear enough where I want soldiers disobeying orders over it. I think both items of discussion are a very serious issue. The legitimacy of the President and the military following the directives given to it. Very serious.

Personally, I would like to see this definition determined and codified into law so that is clear in the future.

116 posted on 07/30/2009 12:12:52 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
It seems that what you are suggesting is that because this hasn’t been adjudicated that it shouldn't be. The definition is spelled out elsewhere, although even that law is in question. I have seen the statute on a different thread. Some are suggesting that Obama does not meet the legal definition of a natural born citizen because because one of his parents was not a US citizen (even if he was born in Hawaii - which I think was the case)

It is not required that a precedent be in place in order to bring a suit and cause a decision to be made. That is what these suits are all about. And this administration seems to be all about squashing them in every way possible.

In one respect I like what this officer did. (this thread is one of my shoe-on-the-other-foot experiences). He placed himself in a position to receive the orders to be able to contest them. In an earlier post I argued this as inappropriate. In retrospect, it is probably the least problematic way for an officer to do this – for the military, not for him – obviously. And, as also previously mentioned, it paves the way for others in the military to bring suit, possibly w/ fewer repercussions. As the sheer weight of those signing on to a suit grows the government will have no choice.

Obama promised transparency. Let’s have some.

122 posted on 07/30/2009 12:31:12 AM PDT by 70times7 (What is Obama's hurry? Is he anxious to get to his cigarette? America wants some foreplay first.)
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