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To: Spaulding

There are so many angles on this and imo each should be examined to exhaustion.

Not only did O claim to have dual citizenship at birth (which to me refutes any claim of being Natual Born) then there is reason to believe that his US citizenship was rejected in favor of Indonesian citizenship.

Those are two solid strikes against his claim to NBC even if he was born in the heart of Kansas!


66 posted on 07/29/2009 7:46:09 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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To: Eagle Eye
Absolutely. The birth certificate issue is a soap opera, and soap operas obviously fascinate lots of people. But the strength of our government depends upon a foundation with an almost invariant interpretation, and that is the constitution. Natural born citizenship was defined by nature, naturally born on US soil of parents who were raised, or chose to respect our form of government (naturalized). Someone is, or is not, without legal intervention, a natural born citizen. Even dual citizenship is a legislative creation, and not part of natural born citizenship. "Dual citizenship" claimed by Obama is simply misdirection. He knows most of us don't know what the term means, and other will deny they knew.

My understanding of this has been slowly evolving, though I suspect there are lots of quiet, and better informed Freepers to whom this is not news. So even dual citizenship has nothing to do with the presidency. Naturalized citizens are made by our legal system, and not eligible to be president. We require the president and his backup, and only that office, to be natural born citizens.

There is a sequence of steps before swearing in where a candidates qualifications should have been checked. The candidate signs legal documents (and Obama did) attesting under law that he/she is natural born. Obama knows very well he lied, just as he has about so many things. One of his law firms published a paper about amending the Natural Born provision which assiduously avoids the half of the provision, repeated in many supreme court decisions, and in the famous Senate Res. 511 http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html by Patrick Leahy et al that a natural born citizen must have both parents citizens. Any deviation from the definition is only legal via constitutional amendment, and that amendment has been attempted, and failed, at least two dozen times.

The natural born provision, no less valuable because it is at least 250 years old, was created to insure allegiance of the president who is also commander in chief of our armed forces. Exactly what is missing from Obama is allegiance to our constitution and our form of government. “Change” is Obama’s central theme. What he meant by that, while it could be ferreted by looking at the “Dreams from his Father” of a Marxist, Muslim Kenya, and those of his associates, black, Arab, Hispanic, and white, was hidden by our state-run media. His allegiance is the problem, and that is precisely what the second clause in natural born citizen was designed to protect us from.

I recently re-read the Sarah Herlihy article in Chicago-Kent Law Review, “Amending the Natural Born Citizen Requirement”, 2006. In 27 pages she assiduously avoids quoting the definition cited in numerous supreme court decisions, and never mentions the source cited by Benjamin Franklin, John Jay, John Marshall, John Bingham, or used by Patrick Leahy et al and judge Chertoff, former HSA Director. She intentionally obfuscates the issue by pointing out people like William Ayres, claiming that his birth on our soil didn't insure his allegiance. Vattel, our founders, our justices, all know that the reason, described thoroughly in Law of Nations, is that allegiance is assumed to come firstly through ones parents. Statists would like public school teachers’s principles to prevail over those of the parents, but our founders knew better. (She also argues that denying the presidency to naturalized citizens is racist, xenophobic, and a hinderance to the evolution of a globalist society)

Dual citizenship is irrelevent. Until the constitution is amended, Obama cannot be a natural born citizen. His father was not a citizen. Sadly, because I like his ideas, neither can Bobby Jindal, because his parents were not citizens when he was born. Most of our citizens are natural born. Jindal can be Secretary of State, Treasury Secretary, etc. etc. But he can't be president, and neither can Obama, and neither could McCain - who was certain to be challenged, had he ever received the votes to provide the Democrats with the opportunity to challenge him.

Look at the trap: McCain wins, Dems challenge and there is a new election, probably putting Hillary in office because the Repubs would challenge Obama; McCain isn't challenged by anyone, thanks to continued legal hand-waving, Senate Res. 511 is only one, so he runs, and Repubs don't dare raise Obama’s ineligibility. Posey and others will require some sort of validation (though Posey pleads ignorance of the definition of natural born citizen), and Hillary will be in place, with Acorn well funded and 20 million “immigrants” voting in Spanish for Hillary.

71 posted on 07/29/2009 4:39:34 PM PDT by Spaulding
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